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		<title>A New Model for Scientology, Part II</title>
		<description>Discuss A New Model for Scientology, Part II</description>
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			<title>Marvin the Martian - Anonymous</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/new-business-model.html#comment-2121</link>
			<description><![CDATA[You nailed that for me. I have said earlier (on Part I) that something does need to be done about the current management of the Church. However, you still need a structure (i.e. Management) to MANAGE in accordance to LRH policy. LRH's admin tech is not a vague concept or something he pulled out of his ass. It is policy that has derived from observations and trial and error. He wrote policy so that the TECHNOLOGY of Dianetics and Scientology were available and correctly applied - basically KSW #1. Anonymous has a great point about off-shoots. The technology is very specific (and pretty easy, too, I might add). However, it is also very easy for it to be corrupted (see any article on this website for examples). It is essential to have an organization and management in place to see that it is NOT corrupted and sprouting off-shoots. I'm not saying we can't have field groups, field auditors, etc. The intention of orgs is to provide supreme and standard service to parishioners. This doesn't mean that someone can't get the Grade Chart from a field auditor. Management isn't even supposed to govern field auditors or missions. LRH said that missions are essentially a PR action. As for administering the OT levels, LRH assigned that duty to the Sea Org because of the powerful technology contained on the OT levels. If they were to be squirreled, it could completely mess up a case. So, to have Dianetics groups, field auditors, field groups, etc. is a wonderful action. But you can't completely dismiss the orgs or Management, as long as admin, tech and ethics are being applied per policy. A thetan knows when something is not right. If they can't achieve something along a designated route, they will find a detour. Admin, tech and ethics exist to keep the correct route open and free of roadblocks. Essentially, the only reason we Independent Scientologists are where we are today is because ethics, tech and admin have been mutated and our Church has become an ugly and parasitic monster of an organization feeding on its brainwashed followers. All that needs to be done, IMHO, is to remove the "head of Medusa", get a good leader in place (one who is going to see that admin, tech and ethics are CORRECTLY applied for the good of Scientology and mankind), formulate and adopt firm policy so that this dangerous situation does not reoccur (yes, that's the Danger formula) and get Scientology back on track.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Marvin the Martian</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 13:45:41 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Friend of Ron says:</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/new-business-model.html#comment-1046</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Joe, Thanks for all your create and your vision. It aligns with mine as well. Please email me so we can have a personal communication and hash out some more specific planning in "private". Friend]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Friend of Ron</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:07:20 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Thanks for all the comments</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/new-business-model.html#comment-340</link>
			<description><![CDATA[The variety and intelligence of the comments in response to these articles about a new model for Scientology tend to validate my faith in the hive mind concept.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Joe Howard</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:18:14 -0600</pubDate>
			<guid>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/new-business-model.html#comment-340</guid>
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			<title>Nomad</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/new-business-model.html#comment-334</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Interesting. For the record, I'm not an org hater, I love Scientology and LRH as a [censored]iloso[censored]er, I love the good things about Scientology. I agree with Joe Howard in principle... I think Scientology has literally become about "the money". That seems to be the ONLY statistic that really counts anymore. How many Basics are sold, how much money collected for Ideal Org properties (the hat of management NOT the public), how much in the IAS war chest, etc., etc., etc. Back in the day, the zeitgeist was different. It was exciting, it was about clearing a planet, getting a new vibrant [censored]iloso[censored]y out there. We weren't trying to feed a PR machine, an event machine. No body gave a shit about "looking good" or "how many people they got into Scn so they could be called a power FSM". The unfortunate thing is that the organization has been soured by its mismanagement. That can happen to any organization. My concern is if you go off with a new business model, set up new organizations, we're assuming then that these cats will do a better job and keep it free and unabused. Will they? How do we ensure it doesn't just turn into something else. Fracture up the subject, start new parallel movements, and why would it be any different than the ruling class of Catholicism vs the Mormons, the Presbs, the Amish, etc. Every off-shoot of Christianity has formed into it's own form of authoritative religion which each espouses with the same conviction. I'm not saying that Joe Howard is wrong in his model, I'm just challenging it. Maybe it's simply better to just get the dictator, David Miscavige, deposed and get Scientology back on track again and let everyone learn from that lesson. Seems it would be easier and more effective. But that's rhetorical ... because whether I say it or not, people are going to do what they want to do and of course if David Miscavige keeps up his current "model" he will force people to set up alternative means to get Scientology. Anyhow, my 2 cents. NOMAD]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:09:43 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>The New Model</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/new-business-model.html#comment-154</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I like the new "online model" being proposed for a number of reasons, especially the idea of the org as a "super Qual". However, I also think that remaining org structures of this new model will be extremely vulnerable to the true 2 1/2% that want the whole SUBJECT of Scientology destroyed. How do we protect the subject in this new model? I don't have an answer for that, but I've got a few suggestions for online courses. At the top of the list: We all know the problems associated with the misunderstood word and the difficulties encountered in word clearing: multiple dictionaries, context uncertainty, word chains, etc. A fully hyperlinked dictionary could be the answer. A dictionary that would start you with the most appropriate definition for a word, allow you choose simpler dictionaries, even taking you down to KTL styled picture dictionaries, until you had full understanding. While this might be achievable strictly within the online community of programmers, it is an example of a task for perfect to be headed by Gold while employing online programmers. A large task, to be sure. A task that, in the end, points to the need for an International structure of some sort that can address the needs of an online Scientology.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>a1044c</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:01:26 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>It already exist</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/new-business-model.html#comment-145</link>
			<description><![CDATA[The ability to deliver Scn tech already exist. Materials, Orgs, coure rooms, checksheets, etc. The Orgs are filled with mostly well intentioned (albeit mostly unaware) people, remove the SPs and get back to implementing LRH's works. There is nothing wrong with having groups, buildings, ships, etc. The problem is the non-confront of the SP and becoming PTS. The PTS comes up with unusual solutions, alter-ises, cowards or any combination of these and more. We all need to get back to applying what is written not what someone wants us to do. Ask "Where is it written" or "What policy is that based on", etc. Certainty, ARC, good TRs and a true love for your fellow group member I believe can do more than any retaliation or new bright idea. Let's do our part to take back what is ours, our Orgs. Ok?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Because</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:13:54 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>we need a structure</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/new-business-model.html#comment-125</link>
			<description><![CDATA[we need a Qual, a place where you know you get the best auditing and standard tech (LRH only) if you want! It is so easy to go into group agreements and mutual out-ruds... at one point if we want to really give service we need a real structure. We have enough trained terminals. Very special included you. My dream would be to work with a group of high standard competent people... which are really there to help and to Clear.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>jewel</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:29:30 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Joe Howard says:</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/new-business-model.html#comment-122</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Dear Lurker, You got it exactly. Kool Aid drinkers would give all kinds of reasons why what you propose would result in complete destruction of the subject, but that's what Kool Aid does to a person. Joe]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Joe Howard</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:55:37 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>MostlyLurker says:</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/new-business-model.html#comment-59</link>
			<description><![CDATA["The idea here is that Scientology should fit into a person's life, not the other way around." Scientology started by being a tool for man to use. The original aim of Scientology was to serve people helping them to improve. It got twisted. The flow has been reversed in a subtle way, pushing the help button on so many people. It ceased to stress what Scientology can help you with, but how you can and MUST give up your life to Scientology. Scientology's greed and power became the end, and people, staff & public become the exploited slaves, controlled by lies, by fake statistics, by creating a dangerous environment outside of the "Truman show" that is current Scientology. But the truth is that Scientology doesn't need money. Scientology doesn't need big buildings, five star restaurants, cruise ship, huge PR events, the Super Power building, copyrights. Scientology needs NOTHING of that. Scientology must have no owner and no end on its own. It is just a tool, like an hammer, a saw, a bed, a bicycle, a car. It only needs to be freely available and used by interested people who want to improve their own lives and reach their own goals, happiness and freedom. You the individual, your family and your people are important. Scientology is and must be at your service. Not the other way around. Any attempt to make Scientology more important than an individual is an attempt to make of Scientology a Cult, to exploit the good faith of people and control them with lies. It is an attempt to enslave people, so damn close to what the Church of Scientology is now.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>MostlyLurker</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 03:44:10 -0600</pubDate>
			<guid>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/new-business-model.html#comment-59</guid>
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			<title>Aw come on Joe,you\'re too humble!!!</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/new-business-model.html#comment-56</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I was talking about the "ideal" adminstrator postulated by L.Ron hubbard. Which I'm sure you would be a shining example of!!! Give yourself an Ack for Gods sakes!!!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:23:46 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Interesting....</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/new-business-model.html#comment-11</link>
			<description><![CDATA[So what Joe Howard wants to do via the Freezone and Independent Field is inspire a grassroots dianetic/scientology/auditing movement similiar to the groups in the 1950's outside of the fascism of the current CO$,the suppresion of DM,and the natter of the Critics. Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. If only people like Joe were in high admin positions instead of David Miscaviage!!!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:29:13 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Guest says:</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/new-business-model.html#comment-15</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Chris, People who knew me in the SO would laugh if they saw your recommendation that I be in a high admin position! I was never a fan of admin for admin's sake and most considered me policy-challenged as a result. I was, however, in such a management position for about a year and absolutely hated it. Thankfully, DM busted me and eventually I went back to compilations. To be a manager there you had to be willing punching bag (mostly verbally, but also [censored]ysically) and that just wasn't my game. Well, that's enough motivating. But yes, you've duplicated the vision exactly. Free, independent people using Scientology in a spirit of cooperation to help each other change and improve conditions. The economics will work themselves out, particularly because much of the organization can exist on the internet, and the costs involved with that are near zero. Sounds airy fairy as hell, but that is what is happening. Joe]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:05:30 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RJ says:</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/new-business-model.html#comment-3</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I love it Joe!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:15:17 -0600</pubDate>
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