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		<title>Turning Willingness to Despair</title>
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			<title>Bob Chapman says:</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/turning-willingness-to-despair.html#comment-4852</link>
			<description><![CDATA[David: I don't know you, but your mother audited me on Power Auditing in the early 70's. She was an extremely cool and gracious lady. I really liked her a lot and respected her. She had such a wonderful genuine smile. I got tremendous gains from her auditing. I am writing a book about it right now. I have got some tales to tell! Please email me at . Thanks much! I enjoyed your post here. Bob]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bob Chapman</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 16:18:52 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: Turning Willingness to Despair</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/turning-willingness-to-despair.html#comment-4705</link>
			<description><![CDATA[No, LRH announced Super Power in 1978 in an LRH Executive Directive. It was ordered to be for staff only, but never released. Miscavige launched a project to collecting money for it in 1985. People gave millions of dollars and many of them have died since then — never to even see what their money was supposed to buy. A total fraud by David Miscavige.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Thoughtful</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:20:03 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Turning Willingness to Despair</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/turning-willingness-to-despair.html#comment-4703</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Wasn't Super Power supposed to be released in 1967?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Captain Bob</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:09:05 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>DW Stokes says:</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/turning-willingness-to-despair.html#comment-3159</link>
			<description><![CDATA[John ~ Just within the last few weeks I was thinking about you. My mother, Dolores Stokes, passed away in early June and when I returned from her memorial service I brought back several [censored]oto albums. Many were pictures of her time at St. Hill on the SHSBC in the mid 60's. Quite a few of the [censored]otos had you in them, along with Ron and many other characters from that era. As for the overboarding on the VII course. I worked for a number of years with Alan Walters and his version is that Ron ordered the overboards, including throwing Alan's substantial girth into the filthy harbor water. Usually I don't respond to stories on the various ex-Scn web sites but your insight that the nature of Scientology changed when the goal of clearing the planet was adopted mirrors my thoughts exactly. So you get a response because you're obviously as sharp now as you were 40+ years ago. And by "sharp" I mean - seeing things the way I do. Do well, good to see your name again. David]]></description>
			<dc:creator>DW Stokes</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:21:44 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Guest says:</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/turning-willingness-to-despair.html#comment-3121</link>
			<description><![CDATA[No post on either Marty's or this web site rings more true. The exact change in Scientology took place with the issuance of OT III and Ron's Journal 67. It's been down hill ever since.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 07:20:15 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Kathy Mace says:</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/turning-willingness-to-despair.html#comment-720</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Dear John McMaster -- Not!, I prefer to accept the reality based upon real facts. I don't know why it is so hard for others to accept the darker side of LRH and the Pls and FO's he wrote which support it. In a recent conversation with another long time former member who recently contacted me, he mentioned that he'd endured the land based version of 'overboarding'. When there wasn't a body of water around to overboard an errant member, a 15 min ice cold shower or hosing while stripped naked was often used in lieu of it. That amounted to torture by CMO, acting on orders of LRH. Your testimony about the late 60's is so refreshing to read here because even in the late 70's when I joined as a public person, it was common knowledge that things had changed from the 60's and that the org staff and Sea Org were suffering because of it. This was before Miscavige. The em[censored]asis changed from "making the able more able" to "clearing everyone" and as a result, many 'old timers' left. Remember, it was LRH who wrote "No one can be half in and half out of scientology. If they are on board then they are on board on the same terms as the rest of us ; win or die in the attempt. We would rather see you dead than incompetent!" HCO Policy Letter of 7 February 1965: Keeping Scientology Working Series 1 He meant it and some died as a result. Please keep writing about your experiences and those of others of the day because it's important that people get the facts. Thanks.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Kathy Mace</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 07:36:31 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>My story.</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[RJ, Thanks for your viewpoint. Yeah, I am sure the same mistakes were not made again... but that doesn't justify anything. Regarding your statement, "the VIIIs themselves instituted overboading.", Do you have any idea who, exactly, of the Class VIII students convinced Ron to order the overboards? I know two who were on that course, and they say it came directly from LRH. If what you say is true, certainly, no vote was taken among the general population of VIII students. Of the injuries from overboarding, I was told by the students there on the first VIII course, that Jim Keeley suffured a broken ear drum, Ruth Lennie broke a rib or ribs, and another, whose name escapes me at the moment had a broken collar bone. Bill Howie was the Commander at the time and is the person who carried out LRH's 'overboard' orders. I would love anyone from that original Class VIII course to write here tell what really went on.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>John McMaster - not</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:57:01 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RJ says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Interesting story JM-N. What an VIII told me, one who was on the original course on the RSM which later became the Apollo was that the VIIIs themselves instituted overboading. In fact another VIII who was on the ship told me that it was a expeditious means of getting one's attention and those overboarded didn't make the same error again. In other words it was rapid, effective and workable. What more do you want? Besides such practices were discontinued on the ship at least, after the Reform Codes were instituted, later that year. Of course there are SP's who like to continue the harsher aspects of Scientology possibly mixed with other practices, like what more accurately compares to waterboarding, not overboarding 'fair game',disconnection and SRAs (Severe Reality Adjustments). I worked for directly the Ol'man myself in my illustrious career as a Scientologist on several projects and pilots and not once did I run into harsh ethics or anything but direct understandable directions of what he wanted done. He also believed in giving someone a post or a job and letting them do it with very little supervision as part of Fast Flow Management. So unless you don't agree with the policy and the fact that other people are responsible for their own actions as well, then you'll be stuck in the blame Ron for everything that happened or is continuing to happen with in the Organization. Such as what happened with the GO or what is currently happening with David Miscavige. Myself, I prefer to think of what happened to Scientology as what happens to any true group when infiltrated and taken over by suppressive elements which is covered in "Essay on Management" an article that Ron himself suggested I read and that I suggest others read as well.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:28:13 -0600</pubDate>
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