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			<title>RE: The Real Third Party</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/the-real-third-party.html#comment-4625</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thanks Rinder. I can't believe how much charge I am blowing. All my observations were correct when I first got into Scientology in 1986. I like the line some staff use, not to degrade any staff because they haven't opened their eyes yet, but they say we have the greatest tech in the world, you should donate so we can expand. Answer, on a social level, yes you are right. Here is another 1000 bucks to the IAS. Real answer: Oh yah, that's true, and I agree. But, where is the expansion? Where are the new people coming in? The course room seems empty? What do you people do all day? Aren't you bored? Oh, at the end of course period you want me to write letters to public to get them in. really? Why me, don't you have a letter reg? There is PL on that? If I donate to the IAS that 1000 bucks, hey that would be nice to go onto my auditing account as an advanced payment towards my bridge. Hey isn't a letter reg supposed to be writing letters asking for some AP's onto my account so that when I finish the current action I am on, why maybe my next action will be almost paid and I won't have to come up with 3k all at once for my next intensive. I'm just a working stiff you know that makes only so much money and I thought that as you go up the bridge your abilities increase thus allowing you to earn more money? Hey, I go into the org and now we have the WTH donation project, fork over some money? This is a good thing, yes I guess it is, but if I fork over 1000 bucks, hey what about my bridge? I could sure that money on my account? Why aren't you asking me for the money as an AP towards my bridge,,,,,,,? Oh, we must handle the 4th dynamic otherwise we won't be here, oh I forgot again, thanks for reminding me,,,,,,ok here's 1k to give to the TWTH campaign. Hey, narconan is in town, we have an event, come on down, new news, it's the best ever............... OMG, on and on it goes. No wonder we are not expanding, no wonder public stay away............]]></description>
			<dc:creator>captainbob</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:23:50 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Good to hear from you Mike</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/the-real-third-party.html#comment-1439</link>
			<description><![CDATA[What a great news for me to read this post about 3rd Party and Ideal orgs pointing out so accurately what I was thinking about DM, his squirrelling and terrible leadership plus the IAS endangering activities. Having been working on PR frontlines for 15 years from 1987 to 2002 with New Era on Mission earth French campain, with OSA France and EU on SNTD and finally with the Jive Aces I had a first hand very strong reality on all of this and saw it coming. I wrote it up after my OT3 at Saint Hill and got heavilly and wrongly comm-eved for it and than kicked out from CC Paris. Prior to this I had a terrible feeling about you having seen not long ago an interview on a BBC program on Bornmouth mission in the UK where you appeared so cynical to me and the perfect personalisation of everything I hated about new management. So welcome back and let's work out a strategy to get DM demoted and the show back on the road again. ALL2U jbtrendy LRH Persanal Public Relation and Loyal Officer Formerly known as Jean Tox, The Fourth Dynamic Auditor]]></description>
			<dc:creator>jbtrendy</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:08:06 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Re: \&quot;Ideal Orgs\&quot;</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/the-real-third-party.html#comment-1419</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Dear Mike, You are so right. I would like to comment on the “Ideal Org”-operation. To me the term „Ideal Org“ is a false report and should be treated as such. To use it for those empty buildings compares to offering plastic apple-imitations and calling them „organically grown apples“ - (the new trademarked-name for plastic apples). They are neither good as nutrition, nor does this word express a true circumstance. It is false PR. Your article reveals the intention behind this operation. I did compare HCO PL 12 MARCH 1975, Issue II, THE IDEAL ORG, sentence by sentence to what is called “Ideal Orgs” and what I have seen, the difference can hardly be bigger. I see these buildings as oversized symbols of Out-Ethics. “There are three things which, when observed, can be very revealing. 1. Overspending, waste and extravagance. 2. Overt products. 3. Nonproduction. One or the other of those three will lead frequently to discovering the rest being present as well.” “... The org that never seems to be able to get going, the person who seems to be constant trouble, needing continual supervision and correction, are all to often deeply involved in actual crime. The remedy is to look deeper. With expert investigation and metering, you will be startled to what you sometimes find. Theft. Embezzlement. Lies. You name it. All to often it will be there – and more, it has been riding hidden, poisoning the person and the whole group.” (HCO PL 5 February 1982, OUT-ETHICS SYMPTOMS) Thank you, - and you all, too - for un-poisoning the group. I recommended this page to many of my friends and they are impressed, read busily and understand things where before there were only question marks. I found the following reference just two days ago and I when I read it I understood why I felt strangely with all that shine. It is relevant to the question what shall happen to these buildings and why. “This individual walked into the door of the most beautiful building he had ever seen, and they grabbed him and put him in the clink and held the body in duress and transported the soul elsewhere, you know. Fabulous situation. But he was attracted there by an aesthetic. Well, this is the entrapment by aesthetics. And you'll find aesthetics are a usual trap. That's why you find, by the way, Dianetics and Scientology are not all trapped up with a whole bunch of horse- aesthetics. Get the idea? You'll find a few of them around because they're unavoidable. But it's not that anybody's against aesthetics, but we don't want starry-eyed people wandering in the front door dramatizing for the hundred-thousandth time the lock where they see a beautiful building and walk in. Or the lock of where they hear beautiful music and walk in, where they hear a beautiful organ playing and a choir singing and they walk in the front door. See? Because all you do is collect a lot of nuts.” (20ACC-16 (8A) 23 Jul 58 SPECIAL EFFECT CASES, ANATOMY - Q&A PERIOD) Last point, taken from The-Ideal-Org-HCOPL: „Anything which is short of an ideal org is an outpoint that can be put right. The end product is not just an ideal org but a new civilization already on its way.“ Love Alice]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Alice</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:59:50 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Cold</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/the-real-third-party.html#comment-1307</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Boy was it cold in the Buffalo org. Also dark and also no [censored]one for periods of time in the 90's. I bet it is still cold and possibly dark and the [censored]one is well maybe off. They have used cell [censored]ones to get comm out in the past. Generators for power. One said she knew something was wrong and the org was being suppressed but she had no idea of what was it. I hope today she is or was able to open her eyes.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Fancy</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 06:13:33 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>From Misha - Now what</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/the-real-third-party.html#comment-1312</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Excellent analysis, Mike and masterfully written! Great to hear you speak out again -- I recognize your voice and style behind the words. All this analysis and data on MM (Machiavellian Midget--I loved it!), is extremely valuable to (A) dissimulate some of us and help understand how we've been betrayed and what really happened with our 20-30 years of total commitment, (B) separate Scientology from MM'ocracy in the eyes of broader public and (C) unstick and move on to better things, i.e. go up the Bridge as Independent Scientologists. In addition to bashing the toxic midget which is something that must be done, lets also get constructive, organize groups, brush up on TRs and Metering, set up C/S lines and get going! My twin and I are through TRs and on metering now, we have an excellent C/S (Dan Koon). Thanks again and screw MM!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Michael Priv</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 06:09:16 -0600</pubDate>
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