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		<title>Illegal blanket C/Ses from David Miscavige </title>
		<description>Discuss Illegal blanket C/Ses from David Miscavige </description>
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			<title>Thank You, Lise</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/illegal-blanked-cs-from-david-miscavige.html#comment-4871</link>
			<description><![CDATA[This was so helpful to me - the Objectives arbitrary was the end of LRH's Scientology for me - the end of my Bridge. Now I have found that Bridge again outside. I am a Clear getting all my Grades and more.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Watchful Navigator</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 21:35:10 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: repayments</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/illegal-blanked-cs-from-david-miscavige.html#comment-4847</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Eric, I think I know who you are. Contact me I can help get your money back. I got mine and I assisted another who got his back as well. liseokane@gmail.com]]></description>
			<dc:creator>lise</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:35:25 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Request for D.M.</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/illegal-blanked-cs-from-david-miscavige.html#comment-4839</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Dave, I am requesting a display of your Auditor and CS Certifications. You can have it displayed right here on this website, or on stage at the next event. You see, my understanding is that you are only a PROVISIONAL Class 4. From 1975. Which means your certs expired in 1976, as you had NOT gone on to do your auditor internship. That's, what ... ? ... over 35 years !!! And no CS training either. And you're going around "ASSUMING" power and telling everyone what to do. Is this a joke, or are you just stark raving MAD ? I want to see your cert, and NOT some forged bogus piece of paper either. (You know, Dave, like those forged documents you took part in back in the 1980's - like LRH's "transfer" of his copyrights to RTC papers, and LRH's last will, that all had YOUR forged "LRH" signature on them.) I'll take your refusal to do this to signify your guilt in the matter, and your actual incompetency with the tech.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>akbar</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:31:49 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>repayments</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[im getting no where with brisbane or getting my repayment back seen chaplain can any body help]]></description>
			<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:54:28 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Thanks Lise and Plainoldthetan</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/illegal-blanked-cs-from-david-miscavige.html#comment-4799</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hey guys ,thanks for the data. Plainold, you did me a favor by stating a lot of LRH refs on the objectives. I realize that I would like to go back and do more. But ONLY those ones that I never even ran in the first place. There are several you mentioned that I did not do back then. What the hell was up with those checksheets back then ? Seemed a little incomplete to me. So yes I'm open to objectives as everyone should be. But only IF IF IF the process was unflat in the first place (in my case they are just fine. If anything maybe even overrunning some of them and having to go back and correct that with rehabs). Or IF IF IF the process was never run at all in the first place. And only if that is the case. But for DM to cause a chain reaction down the lines of overrunning the objectives on ALLLLLLLLL pcs is f-ing insane. WHAT a SQUIRRELL. Yes that's right, DM is a Quack ! OSA snoop - relay this to DM.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>akbar</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 09:40:25 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Odd..</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/illegal-blanked-cs-from-david-miscavige.html#comment-3842</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi Dan, I believe that Ste[censored]anie would be a great person if the scn sea org robotic thought control was not there, in fact I recall a couple of times of actually [censored]ysically SEEING this detachment from life take over her beingness and it was in her eyes, it was like her sea org circuits switched on and then sometimes you could break through it momentarily and see the real Ste[censored]anie. I always thought she was one of the prettiest girls I ever saw and I feel sad that she has been completely taken over by implants. I hope one day she will see...Despite all the intense pressure, heavy ethics and outright suppression she caused with me and others I don't wish her any harm, she after all is suffering in a trap and doesn't realize it and that is very sad.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>lise</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 03:42:09 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Odd..</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/illegal-blanked-cs-from-david-miscavige.html#comment-3785</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I used to be friends with Ste[censored]anie many years ago, in New Zealand. I was reading this piece on the New York Times ([censored]://www.newyorker.com/rep orting/2011/02/14/110214fa_fact_wri ght?currentPage=all) and decided to Google "ste[censored]anie [censored]ilip" scientology, and this is what came up. A bit scary really.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:39:52 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Lise says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hi Plain Old Thetan...I have an update from FLAG. Apparently there are 200 to 250 people on Objectives at FLAG right now. One guy actually said this to his pc: "Don't cognite too quickly or they will make you carry on because you must have run this process (cch 10) for about 20 hours". So basically EVERY person on the planet who has not done Objectives since the "finding of lost tech" has an UNFLAT Bridge step.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Lise</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 06:03:23 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Lise says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[congratulations on severing your link. Would love you to contact me Neil. liseokane@gmail.com]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Lise</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 05:41:49 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Just severed last link</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/illegal-blanked-cs-from-david-miscavige.html#comment-2632</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hello Lise, I have been on the edge of Scientology for at least 11 years waiting to see ARC and KRC plus service. Every time I have dived in for a closer experience I have had to jump right back out. I am not unreasonable however I have been disappointed to say the least. I have done purif and little else actually but have read a lot of the old basics and listened to a lot of tapes. Ron has helped my life considerably - he and I as partners that is. My son was recruited and it was the beginning of the end for me and Scientology as it did not go well. They messed up and were irresponsible and we had to save him followed by a long debrief. They are so PTS, flubbing and rushing everything. Thank you for your stance and communication I thought something was very wrong and from friends and staff I know (that have left) it seemed a no 'brainer'. Your writings back up feelings, hearsay and actual experience for me. This is a valuable particle and I admire your strength to endure and escape, now standing up to them. I intend to go up the bridge as I earn enough money now I am doing well. I am in Australia so I want to handle it here if possible but may be open to travel when some deals I am working on come to fruition. I hope you can point me in the right direction. I could say so much about my bad experiences with the Church of $ however I would prefer to look to a mutually beneficial association with the real Scientologists of the Free Zone without that sort of interference and harassment. Warmest regards, Neil]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 03:49:14 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Songbird says:</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/illegal-blanked-cs-from-david-miscavige.html#comment-2436</link>
			<description><![CDATA[It was Jan. 2002 when I started to hear about Clears having their state invalidated, quite non-standardly. My own auditor even intimated that that might be the why on my own case (over the [censored]one) which made me quite certain I would never ever do services at Flag again. Nothing the matter with flattening somebody's Objectives, IF THEY NEED IT! Quite another thing to blanket C/S. Thanks for the write up Lisa! You are one awesome thetan!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Songbird</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 16:56:17 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Peter says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Lise, thanks for your report. Dave Miscarriage is not qualified auditor and not a trained C/S. The most ridiculous is that highly trained auditors and C/Ses are in agreement with him and do not dare to oppose him. It shows that they are PTS to this monster of a SP. This pittbul is in Treason to LRH.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:14:43 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Ambulant C/S</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[What about the time DM went for a walk around the Int Base asking people their case level, then got Clears to whisper the clear cog in his ear and told them right there and then that that what they just said to him was not the clear cog and that they most likely were not Clear.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ex GEM</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:55:54 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>I am floored</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[J, I am stunned by this revelation. Of all DM's heinous acts I think this must go at the top of the list. Even if it were true that the person had a botched cycle and was not actually Clear to indicate this to someone on a casual walk around the base, with his entourage there watching the whole charade go down must have quite stressful. I hope they get an EFFECTS OF AN R/SER REPAIR LIST one day. Most will need it. Dan]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Joe Howard</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 12:40:07 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Lise, you are a treasure!</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/illegal-blanked-cs-from-david-miscavige.html#comment-2364</link>
			<description><![CDATA[When I first read that you had broken away from the group insanity that now rules the CofS, I knew you would be bringing a new viewpoint to the independent field. We have had lots of stories about SO abuses, but not as many about technical degrades and executive C/Sing. Your C/S experience gives us an insider's view of the destructive "auditing" and "C/Sing" practices now used by the church. Keep it up! I want to republish your articles when you are ready.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>David St Lawrence</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 06:54:57 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>A Sad Tale</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/illegal-blanked-cs-from-david-miscavige.html#comment-2362</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Lise good for you. It is not easy, but in the end it is one's personal integrity that must be preserved or we are lost. And this is what the result is of all that out-tech: "The Management structure of Scientology is in place. The bottom line is simply this, we weren't doing Scientology as LRH intended for your 32 years and my 34 years. We had incomplete tech, we had messed up Basics (not the same ones at all that you read 3 or 4 times over the years), there are now new lectures that were previously unfound that are clearly LRH. The materials of Scientology are out. The Basics make all of the other things of Scn, Admin for example, so much easier to understand. Naa, DM is doing an incredible job. Start with an activity that is in turmoil as it had been over the years, discover that KSW #1 is out - having the correct technology, realize that it starts there and handle the hell out of that and realize that so many things had been altered over the years and these need to be fixed and that is the problem that DM has." This from an OT VIII, L11, OEC/FEBC, CL V ORG ED. This person really believes all this crap.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ceileen</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 00:50:13 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>More Objectives Idiocies</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[This story is more of DM's alter-isness of Scientology. The EPs of the Objective processes are clearly stated in HCOBs and other materials and are stated unequivocally and succinctly. As a C/S, I made myself a table of the EPs to check against: OBJECTIVE	EP Reference	EP commentary OBJECTIVE ARC	HCOB 19 June 1978	This process will bite suddenly and bring a person up to present time. EP is person in present time, cognition, and VGIs accompanied by an F/N. CCH 1	HCOB 11 June 1957	To demonstrate to preclear that control of preclear’s body is possible, despite revolt of circuits, and inviting preclear to control it. Absolute control by auditor then passes over toward absolute control of his own body by preclear. CCH 2	HCOB 11 June 1957	To demonstrate to preclear that his body can be directly controlled and thus inviting him to control it. Finding present time. Havingness. CCH 3	HCOB 11 June 1957	To bring up preclear’s communication with control and duplication. (Control+duplication=communication) CCH 4	HCOB 11 June 1957	To develop reality on the auditor using the Reality Scale (solid comm line). To get preclear into comm by control plus duplication. CCH 5	HCOB 11 June 1957	To give the preclear orientation and havingness and to improve his perception. CCH 6	HCOB 11 June 1957	To establish the orientation and increase the havingness of the preclear and to give him in particular a reality on his own body. CCH 7	HCOB 11 June 1957	Process is used to heighten perception, orient the preclear and raise the preclear’s havingness. Control of attention as in all these “contact” processes naturally takes the attention units out of the bank which itself has been controlling the preclear’s attention. CCH 8	HCOB 11 June 1957	To remedy havingness objectively. CCH 9	HCOB 11 June 1957	To increase havingness of the preclear and bring about his ability to keep things from going away, which ability lost, accounts for the possession of psychosomatic ills. CCH 10	HCOB 11 June 1957	Same as CCH 9. SCS Object	HCOB 18 May 80R	One runs Start and one runs Change and then one runs Stop, in that order, over and over and over again until all three are flat and the pc has a cognition and VGIs. The pc might go exterior before all three stages have been run, and if this occurs, the auditor should end off at that point. SCS Body	Scientology: Clear Procedure, Issue One & HCOB 15 Oct 1958	The auditor does this many times until the preclear understands that he himself can stop the body, or he has regained an ability, or the process appears to be flat and has no charge on it. Per the HCOB the purpose is to give preclear good control of his body and to exteriorize him. See EP of SCS Object as well per HCOB 18 May 80r. Opening Procedure SOP 8-C	Grade I Process checklist PAB 34 4 Sep 1954	a) Is run until the preclear has a uniform perception of any and all objects in the room, including the walls, the floor and the ceiling. b) Is run until the comm lag is flat and the preclear is freely selecting spots on the walls, objects, chairs, etc., with no specialization whatsoever - which means that his perception of the room has become uniform. c) Per PAB 34 8C is run until the person is sure who is doing it. Op Pro by Dup	HCOB 8 May 1982	The EPs for Op Pro by Dup include: (A) flattened comm lags (per PAB 48) and no more change on the process (B) a real big win with F/N, cog, VGIs and ability regained (per HCOB Floating Needles and End [censored]enomena) (C) Exterior with an F/N, cog, VGIs. R2-69 Pass Object	COHA	The process rehabilitates the sense of play; validates nonverbal ARC; short-circuits “verbal machinery”; lets the preclear position matter and energy in space and time; gets the preclear up to speed; murders “there must be a reason” for doingness. Besides, it’s fun. R2-35 Location	COHA	None specific given for the process on the process checklist. But COHA gives an EP for a modification of the command: It does not occur to them sometimes for an hour of “Where is your face?” that they themselves have no face, and that they are still locating the body’s face. They have to understand this on their own. If this is applied to the basic process, R2-35 should be run until the preclear understands that he is locating himself, and understands it on his own. R2-36 Self Determinism	COHA	...until we have recovered certainty and clarity on the viewpoint of dimension. It will be discovered very rapidly that there are many people making space for the preclear, and that he is to some degree contained in the universe of each one of these people and has many particles in common with them. R2-67 Objects	COHA	No specific EP given. 3-Part Locational	PAB 153	a) The direction of attention must not be disturbed by other mechanisms of attention direction. b)Will exteriorize somebody. c) A person overcomes unwillingness to show things and realizes he is not still on Arcturus and you are not the space police from Saturn. Connectedness	Scientology: Clear Procedure, Issue One	The reason Connectedness works is because it is the basic process on association. The most aberrative thing on any case is association with MEST. This does not mean that the individual is not creating the MEST, it does not mean that he has no relationship with MEST, but it does mean that theta and MEST interconnected too strongly are the components of a trap. They are two different things actually, and it is not true that all thought derives from MEST, nor is it true that all MEST derives from thought. A thetan can create MEST by simply creating MEST, not by telling it to be created, but simply by putting it there. This is the isness of MEST. Now when he connects his thoughts with the actual mass he gets into trouble and we get association, we get compulsive thinking, we get identification, and the old A=A=A=A of Dianetic days. Thus you will see at once that Connectedness in any form is a very excellent process to run. Control Trio	PAB 137 1 June 1958	The first command will change his conceptions which earlier religions may have implanted, such as “it is bad to have”, and run out the compulsions of “must, must not, got to, can’t have”, etc. There should be no qualifications or conditions such as “If I had the money I could buy that object and then have it” or “I don’t like it and thus don’t want it” or “What shall I do with it once I have got it?” The second command brings the preclear’s sense of active participation of creativity and responsibility out. They will find that there is no harm in permitting the sixth dynamic to continue in present time right where it is. The third command is a very good exteriorizing process and the preclear will come up with many cognitions on his own and the rest of the dynamics. Goals	PAB 137 1 June 1958	Watch out for the preclear attaching all sorts of conditions to his answers. Work towards positive goals of “things” and not conditions such as “I want to get rid of my fears and somatics”. Check for certainty at all times, for certainty strengthens reality and the reality of a future for the preclear is most essential if auditing is to succeed all the way. As Lise says: There is no LRH reference that says that Objectives need to take a minimum number of hours. An EP is an EP. If DM was actually trained, he'd know that. I have two selectees that have been porked recently on Objectives by moving to "upper orgs". One did her Purification Rundown, Objectives and Scientology Drug Rundown Co-audit at a Class V Org, only to have to redo her Purification Rundown and Objectives Co-Audit when she moved to CC Int. She also apparently required a huge repair of her Scientology Drug Rundown. So the plans my selectee and I had for finishing her on her Happiness Rundown were totally trashed as the money she had for it was all spent to redo what she'd already EP'd on...and WAS EXHIBITING NO PROBLEMS WITH. The other selectee made the mistake of wanting to do her Grades at FLAG, and paid %15,000 for them, only to find out when her folders got there that her Objectives needed to be redone. Having audited this person on her Grade 0 and Grade I myself, I can attest this: THERE ISN'T A DAMN THING WRONG with her objectives. But now I understand. "They weren't run for enough hours." Does anyone have any stories about being horribly overrun and no one would listen? Besides my selectees? No wonder FLAG needs preclears. F/N abuse.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>plainoldthetan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 00:10:12 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Moving Forward says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Wow. This is just so massively, massively out-tech. What a way to invalidate the hell out of people and hold them down at the bottom of the bridge. And to think I was concerned that there might be squirreling outside the CoS.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Moving Forward</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:07:57 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Alice says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Dear Lise, That reminds me on the [censored]enomenon of "other people's Witholds", that someone who is critical is attempting to find fault with others in exactly those matters, that he has as skeletons in his own closet. For someone on alcohol the Purif would not be the worst choice. For someone on the minus-tone scale (called "sub-apathy" in Problems of Work, Chapter on ARC) the Objective Processes seem to be the correct choice either. CCHs, for instance, were developed by LRH to move someone out of the minus band of the tone scale. For someone who is on the minus-tone scale AND on alcohol it seems to be also a good idea to study some BASICS. Brilliant actions, however unfortunately not aimed at the correct target. Basics, Purif, Objectives are DMs program! And this is generalized then because it is "the thing wrong with me and you" (in his mind). I admire your courage to get this story with the KR off on such a boad audience. Alice]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Alice</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 04:49:03 -0600</pubDate>
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