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		<title>Sea Org Children: The Final Solution</title>
		<description>Discuss Sea Org Children: The Final Solution</description>
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			<title>Christie says:</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/arthur-doyle/339-children-the-final-solution.html#comment-7815</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thanks for finally talking about >Sea Org Children: The Final Solution]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Christie</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:11:16 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Objection</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/arthur-doyle/339-children-the-final-solution.html#comment-2743</link>
			<description><![CDATA[As a Jew I object to the use of the [censored]rase "the final solution" no need to compare anyone to the Nazis, really! You can say "the last resort" why use such sensitive language? My family did not survive Hitler's final solution except for my grandfather.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>sara</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:02:47 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Ceileen  ~~ back to you on Greg Wilhere</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/arthur-doyle/339-children-the-final-solution.html#comment-2532</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Greg Wilhere is a snake. He will do anything and everything to curry favor with DM. He has long since lost any sense of personal ethics and loyalty to LRH. He is ONLY loyal to DM and no one else. I recall when he was at ASI coming to me at 1am on a Wednesday night to fork over $5000 for the 10 volume Leather Bound Mission Earth. I did not need or want it, I am not even a collector at heart, but in the spirit of contribution, I did it to support him and his efforts. Only 48 hours later, after sucking out $5000 (an exorbitantly inflated fee for non autogra[censored]ed leather bounds,) he wrote a deadly KR on me with huge embellishments and outright lies. The way he sucked up to me to get the $5000 and the way he turned on me hours later was a Dr. Jekell/Mr Hyde flip. By the way Greg Wilhere was busted by DM for false reporting while he audited John Travolta. Sitting on his high horse being an "INT exec" while committing the high crime of false reporting on a pc ! John Travolta to boot ! I report, You decide.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>War and Peace</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 00:29:47 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Carol ~~ Back to you on Darius</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/arthur-doyle/339-children-the-final-solution.html#comment-2531</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Carol~~ You know the rule of non-SO NOT PERMITTED to "fraternize" with Sea Org. Your friendly gesture would be blocked, KRd and Darius would end up punished. [censored]yll Stevens is his grandmother former CO ANZO. No data if she heard the story. Sandy in CLO PAC was asked a few months ago about Darius by someone who is now an Indie. She stonewalled in a blank and assertive manner and said "she knew nothing about him, no data" and appeared to want to cut the line of any questions about her son Darius.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>War and Peace</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 00:19:20 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Ack for your ack War &amp; P</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/arthur-doyle/339-children-the-final-solution.html#comment-2523</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thanks for having the guts to post the real true story on the Wilhere's, esp Sandy whom I had many dealings with, I could tell she took a turn for the worse after her accident, but then she still had some hope. Sadly as you mentioned it went downhill from there. Wow, just like INCOMM so many causalities. Not to ignore the original posting: this is another example of another angle from the C of M, and thanks for posting it. We need a lot more of such.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Punch</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 02:26:54 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>SO Children--casaulties</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/arthur-doyle/339-children-the-final-solution.html#comment-2514</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Arthur, Thank you for writing this. I am so sorry that you experienced such things. My son has been estranged from me for 24 yrs because of similar abuses. I don't even know where he is or how he is doing. He hates me, hates Scn and is a very angry and unhappy man. Every year or two he speaks to one of my ne[censored]ews. Otherwise, he completely disconnected from all family. Every day I miss him.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ceileen</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 22:17:19 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Greg Wilhere</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/arthur-doyle/339-children-the-final-solution.html#comment-2513</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I always had respected Greg Wilhere until a personal confrontation made me see him in a different light. In SFO after the big grand opening in Dec 2003, several of the Int Execs stayed on to "help" the org get a good start. For me I was on the squirreliest Tour ever. I had fired with a team of five to get public rounded up and into the org. Two of my team were ripped off almost immediately, Becket Wells and Cleve Carlson, because skills they had were needed on the renos, having to do with passing fire inspections. Then a third one was ripped off by ILO to be fired on a mission into SFO Org to look for LRH artifacts in CF. Then after Becket and Cleve had handled what was needed to pass the fire inspection they were sent back to PAC because "they could not be seen by DM, because they were ex-GOLD staff". Now, the whole point of Tours Orgs is to drive public in on the org, right? Well, before too long I was down to only one other person left on the original team fired with me. That one was the weakest link in the chain. One day Greg W. finds us in the basement and he asks some questions of me which I answer, then he turns to this poor quivering mass of jelly next to me, who is terrified to be talking to such a high altitude exec. GW proceeded to decimate him on the spot, it was horrible to watch. He also asked him a question that was for me, as the I/C, to answer. I attempted to take the heat off and started to answer the question. GW turned to me with a hard look and said, no, I want him to answer the question. I said, well, that will be fruitless because he doesn't know the answer, wouldn't know the answer, I do. Anyway, the whole thing was so pointless except for showing how GW could reduce this poor young guy into a puddle of fear. He never raised his voice, never put any force into it, he just knowingly and ruthlessly with purpose acted with such cruelty. Later that day, when he came upon me and my senior, he made it a point to tell me that I was a spectator because I didn't know something about a couple that I had gotten into the org (who were actually in the org that day because of me) and he had so cleverly found out while talking to them. He was trying to introvert me, to make me feel bad and make me look bad in front of my senior. Well, after that edifying experience I no longer held him in esteem, but in fact thought he was a bully. There were other incidents with him in SFO, but that is another story. Eileen]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ceileen</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 22:08:12 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Aghast</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/arthur-doyle/339-children-the-final-solution.html#comment-2510</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I remember reading this issue in 1996 or so because an S.O. Exec had left it on her desk in a visible location while I was performing an action in her office and she stepped out to go the restroom. I remember being apalled then. But I couldn't nab it because it would have been obvious who stole it. Thanks for getting your hands on a copy and posting the scan. P.S. I was auditing a deserving S.O. member on her grades and lost her mid-action because of this issue. She disappeared into the ozone, never to reappear. Evil, just plain evil. Not only was she denied her grade, but I was denied the opportunity to perform a checksheet sign-off. NO ONE CAN TELL ME THAT THE SEA ORG THINKS STATS ARE IMPORTANT. NOT WHEN IMPLEMENTING POLICIES LIKE THIS ARE DESTRUCTIVE OF STATS. Sheesh.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>PlainOldThetan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 18:40:01 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>So Members in Class V orgs</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/arthur-doyle/339-children-the-final-solution.html#comment-2509</link>
			<description><![CDATA[This is a date coincident with our org's crashing stats. Four SO members with 2 infants were sent to the Day and Fdn orgs. One SO member was such a tyrant she bypassed and threatened all the staff as the LC and DEMANDED we all do her program. Musical Chairs became the order of the day when she had demands to post the RTC Minimum standards depending which posts were to be filled that week. We changed posts so frequently that it tore the org apart. Bodyrouting and recruitment became pretty much all we did. She even recruited homeless people that lived in the org. Neglecting so many normal org functions, we were threatened with eviction notices regularly. She ARC broke a lot of public in the field with her demands and threats with her superior attitude towards them. The other 3 SO members were nice but gave into her noisy threats and demanding ways, so we, the lowly Class V org staff had to kowtow to her. This is when I saw the Gestapo mentality rear its head and the org has never been the same again. No ARC became normal operating procedures with the staff. The two babies suffered. The SO members had to get jobs to support themselves, pay rent, buy their own food cover the baby's medical expenses, etc. AND work in the org 40+ hours per week.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Renegade</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 18:19:33 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Marta says:</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/arthur-doyle/339-children-the-final-solution.html#comment-2507</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thank you Arthur Doyle, for this well written perspective. Seeing this Flag Order reinforces my opinion that the Sea Org and Flag Orders need to be abolished. The "tough" attitudes were appropriate for life at sea - perhaps - but they are at the core of the hardened arteries of the current antiquated hierarchy. My husband and I left the SO in '79 due to the conditions of the "cadet org" nursery environment and the impossibility of creating and maintaining healthy familial relationships. The pressure was on even then - the writing was very much on the wall.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Marta</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 15:18:24 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Carol says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[War and Peace, thank you for the update. Is there anyone in the Mexico area that could check on Darius and make sure he is okay? This is so nuts he could be in need of some help and not helping is so not okay. I truly pray that he is being taken care of. Any suggestions. How is one declared, working on staff at CLO and has no connection with his parents? This is worse than I had even imagined. I used to respect Greg Wilhere not anymore. He is one sick person.He has completely lost himself.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 11:37:37 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Child Soldiers</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/arthur-doyle/339-children-the-final-solution.html#comment-2505</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Atrocities - as we know them from the Chad, the Ivory Coast, Congo, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Somalia, Uganda, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan, Iraq.... see [censored]://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Military_use_of_children on American soil and SO Bases around the world? Speaking of Guillaume, Wilhere, Miscavige...Spiritual Leaders???? Leaders and Management of a Church?? My outrage has no words. None. To me it is very hard to fathom how such a suppressive and deeply brainwashed group like the Sea Org can be reformed at all.... Fidelio]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Fidelio</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 07:08:13 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Heartbreaking</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/arthur-doyle/339-children-the-final-solution.html#comment-2498</link>
			<description><![CDATA[My cousins have worked for the Sea Org since the early/mid 80's and I bet you know them. As someone not in Scientology, but who suffered heartbreak and loss of family because of CoS and watching my grandparents pain over losing their grandchildren, these revelations break my heart. My cousin and best friend was stolen from me by CoS and there was nothing I could do about it. They are grown women who who've endured just what you mention and yet they are so brainwashed to think that it is their fate and the way it is. The closest I've been to them in years is reading snippets about them in the new book BFG because the author knew my cousins. Thanks for listening and please, keep sharing the truth.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>D N J</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 01:41:06 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Punch imlach ~~ response</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/arthur-doyle/339-children-the-final-solution.html#comment-2499</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Sandy Wilhere was suffering from sleep deprivation as was common at INT BASE. So, like others who had accidents due to lack of sleep, Sandy fell asleep while driving. This was close to INT BASE. She drove into a ditch and was not visible from Highway 79. Blow Drill occurred and for at least 2-3 days search parties went looking for her. She was comatose when found, and stayed in a coma for some weeks. Of course DM ordered GREG to divorce her immediately so he wouldn't be "enturbulated" by this downstat. Greg Wilhere had eyes for a younger babe Sue Gentry now Sue Wilhere. This is the infamous Sue Wilhere who tells the St Petersburg TIMES "David Miscavige IS SCIENTOLOGY" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>War and Peace</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 01:02:33 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>punch imlach says:</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/arthur-doyle/339-children-the-final-solution.html#comment-2504</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Holy Shit, I know all these familial terminals involved War and P. This is sad indeed. It's failed to mention that Greg Wilhere divorced Sandy, because she was in the shits (got in her own near fatal car accident) then years forward disposed to PAC, meanwhile Greg then marries Sue, and we know the rest of that story. Sandy is now in fact in PAC regulated to...a nobody.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>punch imlach</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 23:19:20 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Carol....on Darius</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/arthur-doyle/339-children-the-final-solution.html#comment-2503</link>
			<description><![CDATA[He was last at the CLO in LATAM (Mexico) and is likely still there. He was sent to Mexico on purpose (NOTE : he spoke no Spanish) and was in daily constant pain after the accident. Sandy and Greg his parents severed connection with him as he was a DECLARED SP, even though he works in a CLO. Was any auditor sent out to give him assists or help him in anyway after his near death experience? Don't be silly. He had no mega buck$$$ to pay. He could not afford Flag services. He was a mere Sea Org discard after being born and raised in the SO and serving since he was 11 years old. DM severed all his family connections. "Religion" indeed.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>War and Peace</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 23:11:35 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Rush says:</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/arthur-doyle/339-children-the-final-solution.html#comment-2501</link>
			<description><![CDATA[That is so fucked up! As a parent, this makes my blood boil. And to think that that order was the only reason I never joined the Sea Org... Thanks for taking the time to share this very well written article. It is causing an effect and the abuses WILL end. ARC, Ronald]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Rush</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 22:13:27 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>lunamoth says:</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/arthur-doyle/339-children-the-final-solution.html#comment-2497</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Arthur Doyle Thank you for filling in some of the blanks for me. I remember well when the s.o. policy regarding children was changed. It was one of those red flags I ignored; it seemed very wrong to me and I said so to friends, but I never looked further into it. The treatment/neglect of staff children, whether sea org or lower org staff, has long been a huge outpoint in the church. I'm sure someone will write a book on the subject one day, and you will see a public outcry as a result. The subject of the suppression of children in the sea org is one of the church's "dirty little secret." Thank you for shining the light on it.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>lunamoth</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 21:15:32 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Carol says:</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/arthur-doyle/339-children-the-final-solution.html#comment-2496</link>
			<description><![CDATA[To War and Peace, my God words cannot describe how I feel after reading this story about Darius. Do you know where he is now? This is just plain criminal. There is absolutely nothing that can justify any of this. Arthur Doyle thanks for writing this report. People need to know the truth about this so-called church. This is not a church it is an asylum.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 20:30:56 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>DM~2nd generation Scientologist~CHILD BRUTALITY</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/arthur-doyle/339-children-the-final-solution.html#comment-2494</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thank you Arthur Doyle, good report. One of the more brutal personal stories of how Miscavige handled long duration SO members is the story of Darius Wilhere. How DARE Tommy Davis say there is NO Disconnection !!!! Greg Wilhere and Sandy Wilhere were both SO members since the early 70s from the Flagship Apollo. Their son Darius pissed off DM and he was declared a Suppressive Person and banished from the INT Base. Darius' wife was ordered to divorce him, which she promptly did. Sandy Wilhere, his mother disagreed with Darius being kicked out and she was subsequently banished to PAC. She is currently a CS at CLO. She has MS and shivers and shakes when she walks (with a limp), a true testament to DM technology for the last 25 years. Greg Wilhere, briefly "IG RTC" became an execution go-fer for DM. Darius, born and raised in the SO knew nothing else, he was thrown out on the street, a declared SP, approx 28 years old and petitioned to rejoin the SO. He was sent to LATAM, to "boom" a Mexican org as further DM penalty. He takes a bus to Mexico and soon after arrival he is in a catastro[censored]ic car accident when his car is struck by another car in a high speed race. Darius is ejected through the windshield and is brain dead for several minutes. He comes alive again against all odds. After he comes back to life, he is in extremely rough shape, with multiple broken body parts and for the next year is bed ridden with a broken back, neck, several ribs, and so on. His parents are forbidden to do anything for him, or communicate with him as he is a DECLARED SP. Darius sells off every last personal possession to pay for hospital bills. Even though he was born and raised in the SO, and served for some 28 years, he is not given any financial support while 1 billion sits in SO reserves and DM lives like a rock star.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>War and Peace</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 12:52:40 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>A Mother on Mother\'s Day</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/arthur-doyle/339-children-the-final-solution.html#comment-2488</link>
			<description><![CDATA[How sad for you, Arthur. The idea that doing Scientology (or anything else for that matter) is more important than raising happy, well educated, healthy children is completely nuts and also NOT Scientology. You don't have to look any further than what LRH says about the mothers in Science of Survival. I saw the sad results of neglected Sea Org children one too many times. One time, while I was on my OT levels at AOLA (while my own small children were at home in North Carolina taken care of by their dad, my husband and over whom I cried every single day while desperately trying to finish OT I-III)saw a ragged boy around 9 or 10 running loose around the compound. He wanted to borrow money for snacks, which I immediately gave to him. Upon further investigation, I found his single mom was a Sea Org member. I brought this child to her when she was on post. She smiled weakly and said thank you, but I could see her heart was breaking and she felt hopeless. She didn't know what to do. Here I was donating tens of thousands of dollars to do my OT levels but the SO couldn't find a sane solution for this kid while his mother worked? It was completely crazy. I only hope this poor woman routed out of the SO soon after and made her kid as her prime responsibility in life. Every time I have made other dynamics more important than my kids, things have always gone wrong. When I make my kids a top priority, life magically goes right. It's because I'm happy and when I'm happy my postulates stick. Imagine that. Happy Mother's Day to all mothers who put their child's welfare before anything else. You will never regret it.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Songbird</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 09:02:37 -0600</pubDate>
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