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		<title>Tech Corruption: Floating Needles</title>
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			<title>RE: RE: Tech Corruption: Floating Needles</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-4879</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi Frecciarossa! I was also on the Internship at Flag in 2006. (I was on the TTC) I remember the Supervisors and the drills as well. Good you could overcome on this robotism :) Would be good to be in comm with you, maybe we know each other :)]]></description>
			<dc:creator>bb</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 14:08:31 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>The CoS is a squirrel group</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-4868</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Good lord, Class IV. This is a total horror. You are being threatened for practicing standard Scientology and doing what LRH says, living proof that "helping people is an activity that drives David Miscavige wild."]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Thoughtful</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:10:07 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Tech Corruption: Floating Needles</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-4867</link>
			<description><![CDATA[When I did my Class IV Internship at Flag last year, I was sent to Ethics and then to Cramming because the Intern Sup determined by look-in that I "mis-called" an F/N. Of course, my PC was VVGIs and had a loose, floppy needle, but it didn't look like the metronome on the E-meter film. After getting yelled at and forced to do lower conditions, I was shown the "new" definition of a floating needle (HCOB 21 Jul 78R, Rev. 8 Oct 2000.) I then had the Intern Sup standing behind me coaching me on F/Ns. It was very thoroughly drilled into me that an F/N must go "back and forth, back and forth, without change in the width" no matter what before I could call it. I was forced to accept this even though it went against everything LRH had previously said about F/Ns (including the original version of the HCOB.) If I didn't abide by it, I was threatened with being declared if I "miss-called" even one more F/N. And I always have someone looking over my shoulder with the look-in systems, even in the HGC at my org. That's how auditors are treated in the current Church, and that's how they are forced to follow this re-definition of the F/N and watch all their PC's gains go down the drain.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Class IV Auditor</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:54:57 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Tech Corruption: Floating Needles</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-4635</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I remember during my Class IV Internship at Flag in 2006 the Intern Supervisor (She was an Hungarian girl about 30 ys old) kept flunking my EM Drill 16 on f/ns. I had the false data that the f/n had to have 3 swings, but she had the false data that the f/n had to have 4 swings (back and forth, back and forth) and that each subsequent swing coulnd't be smaller than the previous one. ahahahhahahaha ... that was not cool. Once I de-implanted myself during the last 2 years out of the Sea Organization I just left the robotism. I mean how does the mind create a 3 or 4 swing to be free of the charge, it doesn't make any sense. Thanks Jim for this gathering of useful data.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Frecciarossa</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 15:05:55 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Analogy addition...</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-4605</link>
			<description><![CDATA[And of course, since -"No other definition is correct", all workers are forced to believe that in order to use the red handled tool again, they must all become communist baseball players from the Ohio team. And if they don't like it, they'll be terminated. But a small few who are high enough I.Q. and responsability level realize that the best solution is to get the "Manager" and dump him in cement, and drop him in the lake, so they can go on with the project the way that the company owner would have wanted. To the benefit of the other 80 percent.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:36:02 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Analogy -</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-4603</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Here's a rough analogy of this sit : A very out ethics, glib, control freak manager in a construction company decides to bypass his juniors (who have a LOT more experience than he does). He starts to take over a job, and grabs a red handled tool and goes to work. He blunders totally, and ends up messing up the project. The customer gets severely injured, and the relatives sue the construction company. (Sound familiar ?) Then he beats up several juniors because they didn't handle the media and law suit to his liking. And tries to get donations from other customers to help fight the "Suppressive" law suit. (Sound familiar ???) Then he backpeddles and goes into the company to blame others for their "out tech". Then he decides to gather information about the color red, as it must be the other workers' M.U. So he gets different definitions for - "RED", and compacts them into one big one. New def of red - "That color of the spectrum that is the same as blood, or ketchup, and a person who is of communistic, marxist beliefs, and - a member of the Cincinatti Reds baseball team ". This new defn is then FORCED onto every single worker who wonder WHAT the hell is going on !!!!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:54:19 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>agreed</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-4575</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hey Jim, I'm a drummer too and when I was trying to sort out F/N's and cleared "rhythm" I came to the same conclusion. It only takes two beats to establish rhythm. I couldn't start a band off on a song if I counted just "1" but I could certainly start a band off by counting "1 . . . 2". If they're listening, they'll know where the 3 is. Rhythm has been established.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Obnosis</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:55:56 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Floating Needle</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3707</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Jim, Is it possible the F/N would be better understood in the context of a waveform? If an oscilloscope was connected to the meter, would the F/N appear as a sine wave? [censored]://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Wave_forms]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jonathon Barbera</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:49:54 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Mr</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3586</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hello. I am probably not in the know but there is lots of mention in the comments about "three swings" requirement for valid FN. However in your main article you did not seem to cover how that came about (assuming it somehow is a "requirement"). Is there a DM issue that said it's required or is it just something being bought about by verbal dictat? Can you help on this? Thanks.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Old-Man-Fan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 18 Oct 2010 05:35:26 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>roy4021</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3554</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi Jim and all, Very Well Done on this excellent article. Research is excellent and very thorough. Worth every letter.gxjx]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Roy Selby</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 19:01:09 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Tech Corruption: Floating Needles</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3482</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Looking over again the comment by SS above and the waiting for the needle to swing back on the third swing to check and see if the needle is moving the same distance one way as the other to qualify to be a DM version Floating Needle, I think I finally get how this 8 Oct 2000 perversion of the LRH definition of FNs came to be the source of the 'three swing' minimum arbitrary. It has to go to the third motion in order to tell whether it is the 'same distance' (i.e. from the E-Meter Essentials Errata section, later interpolated into the LRH defintion). Whew, that took some 'think like an idiot' to come up with and for me to grasp. From the Art Series #4, RHYTHM, of 25 April 74: "RHYTHM: Any kind of movement characterized by the regular recurrence of strong and weak elements. Rhythm denotes the regular patterned flow, the ebb and rise of sounds and movement in speech, music, writing, dance and in other [censored]ysical activities. METER basically means measure and applies to a system or pattern of measured recurrence of length, beat or numbers in poetry or music." Further in this HCOB, Art Series 4, LRH defines types of 'rhythm'. He goes on to say: "Any and all rhythms are made up of the six basics above. One, two or more can be employed in complex patterns." So, is it possible to have say a 2" swing left, a back swing right of 1/2" and a swing left of 2" and be an 'ebb and rise' of movement? Is this a movement with 'strong and weak elements'? What if it only went left and right? Is that an 'ebb and rise' as in a 'two-beat' rhythm, a very common rhythmic movement? Would that constitute a 'rhythmic sweep of the dial at a slow even pace'? What if the 'needle speeds up or slows down and does different things and still remains an FN' as in the above referenced issue DRY AND WET HANDS MAKE FALSE TA? By arbitrarily entering in the data from the E-Meter Errata sheet to the definition of a Floating Needle, one has entered in the arbitrary of 'same distance' and the 'three swing' in order to determine if the distance is the same. This ALTERS the LRH definition and is commonly called an 'additive' in Scientological parlance. It also enters in an arbitrary to the E-Meter Essentials Errata description by arbitrarily defining how many times the needle has to be 'without change in width' to qualify as an FN. In short, ARBITRARIES have been entered in to the technical area of Floating Needles. They have no place there, or anywhere else. ALL of the LRH references on Floating Needles are valid. ALL apply.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jim Logan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:21:02 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: RE: RE: Tech Corruption: Floating Needles</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3479</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Plain Old Thetan, Got it. Thanks.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jim Logan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:21:27 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: rhythmic</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3478</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Obnosis, It appears that when DM altered LRH's def and interpolated the data from E-Meter Essentials, then instead of the simple def people were coached to establish 'width' of swing as the same and waited for the third movement of the needle to see if it was the same width. This 'width' was taken to be the 'rhythmic' aspect. The 'regular alternation'. The way to get this as an arbitrary is to in fact interpolate this data from one issue into another. What about the Dianetic EP issue, it says it starts narrowly and widens. What if it 'widens' on the return swing? Ooops. What if it starts out swinging 2" and goes back to 1" and then goes to 3" 'as the pc cognites'? Ooops. What if the sensitivity is too low, as in the pc's havingness in a negative gain session has gone down? Then you'd quite possibly get a smaller manifestation? Arbitraries - let's stamp them out and get back to Standard Tech. Heck, there's not that many issues on this and then there's actually seeing the needle do what it does and THAT certainty.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jim Logan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 07:34:26 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>rhythmic</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3474</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Jim, like you, I am a musician. How anyone figured out that 3 swings are needed to establish rhythm boggles my mind. If I count "1" and nothing else, I have not established a rhythm. If I count "1," "2," I have established a rhythm, an amount of time between the two from which I could continue counting at the same speed. Alert musicians can easily start a song with just a "1 . . . 2." You don't need a "3." I also agree there could be a 1 swing F/N, it's just a matter of an you spot it with certainty.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Obnosis</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 02:44:53 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Re: Masterpiece</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3472</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Tom, When I read of this 'three swing' arbitrary and the grueling 'sessions' people were going through, relayed on various blogs and personally to me, I was more than aghast. I was steamed. This suppressive alteration of an LRH HCOB riled me more than alot of things can. It is my intention in this article to recover case gain denied by getting back to actual Scientology. This SP, David Miscavige, is a scourge on our planet. I aim to de-scourge in any way I can.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jim Logan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:00:20 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Re: Masterpiece</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3470</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Jim, your labor on this write-up is a labor of love. I want you to know that you are indeed MOQ above anyone else on the planet and I appreciate you completely. ML Tom]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Virgil</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:08:45 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: Tech Corruption: Floating Needles</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3466</link>
			<description><![CDATA[SS, That seems to me to be the figure-figure on the 'three swing'. Thanks for clarifying how it came about following DM's squirrelling of the actual LRH definition. 'Distance' is being taken as the 'regular' alternation. My, how arbitrary. I suppose if DM could, he'd require a micrometer and every being to FN exactly the same as his robotic machine.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jim Logan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 07:35:44 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: RE: Tech Corruption: Floating Needles</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3464</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Let me clarify further. I didn't have any uncertainty. I saw a latent read, didn't take it up, and got "corrected" for it. When I did the drill, I did know what an instant read was, so no problem. HOWEVER, the SHSBC auditing sup needed the correction. I wondered how many other BC candidates had their certainty shaken on instant reads because of it. I unfortunately had no video with which to correct him. Sigh.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Plain Old Thetan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:29:09 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Tech Corruption: Floating Needles</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3463</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Correct me if I am wrong. I do think that the revised HCOB is indeed a wholly unnecessary thing to release ... the interpretation someone had on an F/N only adds to what a new auditor may have (confusion) on an F/N. I don't think a needle needs to swing 3 times to be an F/N but per the 1979 data "without change in the width" ... and you cannot tell the width until it turns the corner on at least the second swing. Ie., starting from left swing to right, back to left and if it reaches that width or greater and turns the corner, heads back, its an F/N ... I say "or greater" as the full quote being "without change in the width of the swing except perhaps to widen ..." Of course, not calling it until it goes from left to right back to left back to right would of course fit the definition of an F/N but not the only stipulation for an F/N. The major error of the revised HCOB is that it seeks to group together more than one definition into one reference ... just my two cents.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>SS</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:52:22 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: RE: RE: Tech Corruption: Floating Needles</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3462</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Plain Old Thetan, Thanks for the write-up on the read situation. I've never seen these videos. I have heard on the blogs that the 'instant' reads aren't. I'd do what you did, go back to the drill, EM-19 as I recall, and drill it. If that doesn't sort it out then there is a panoply of tools; FDSing, W/Cing, Hubbard Consultant tech and so on, to get anything out of the way, then back to the drill, EM-19. There are the assessment drills too, calling for Instant Reads. Again, I've heard only, since I've not seen them, that these videos are 'out-of-sync' and I can see a guy going into session trying to achieve a false facsimile, rather than having his TR 1 in and actually communicating to the preclear and seeing an actual Instant Read at the precise end of the Major Thought voiced by the auditor.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jim Logan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:41:36 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: RE: Tech Corruption: Floating Needles</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3461</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Okay, we can start the confab now, I guess. I didn't want to divert attention off the F/N fiasco until everyone had their say. Anyway, if I recall correctly, I was C/Sing the Briefing Course at the time and a video came down from uplines showing what an instant read was and wasn't. The HGC C/Ses and auditors all had to watch the video and attest that they could tell the difference between an instant read and a not-an-instant read. The video was "hosted" by Senior C/S Int (John Eastment or Ray Sharkey, if I recall). The focus of the video was on where the exact end of the last syllable spoken by the auditor was. Anyway, I watched the video, did the attest, and then cross-flowed the other tech staff having "discussions" like we're having on Floating Needles. You know: "That was prior" "No it wasn't" "That wasn't the exact end" "Yes it was" "The read was latent" "No, it was prior" ad infinitum. This got really ingrained into people and shook their certainty. A few years later I audited an emergency repair session in the SHSBC supervised auditing room. There was a read just microscopically latent on a question, and I didn't take it up. But the FLAG-TRAINED SHSBC supervisor wrote me a pink sheet for missing a read. So I re-did EM-19 in the metering course room (passed first time, of course). Then I took the pc back in session to take up the erroneously missed read. When I did, however, the pc looked at me quizzically and said "nothing like that happened". So I F/Ned it False and ended the session. I attributed it to the confusing "what is an instant read" indoctrination a few years before. There wasn't anything in writing, per se, other than the order to do the study on the video. Unfortunately, I did not nab a copy of the video, either. Nuts.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Plain Old Thetan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:37:48 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: Current definition used in the church?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3460</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Perhaps Tody could produce one.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jim Logan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:23:52 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Meter Reads film</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3457</link>
			<description><![CDATA[The meter reads as shown in the films currently being shown in orgs were made by machine (computer) and are not real. Miscavige couldn't find anyone who's FN looked "good enough" so he used a fake. The same computer program was used to create the Drills Simulators that are used to train "the blind" on what a "real meter reads" look like. - Steve]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Thoughtful</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 09:30:00 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: Tech Corruption: Floating Needles</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3455</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Plain Old Thetan, Can you elucidate on the 'instand read' redefinition? Or anyone else for that matter.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jim Logan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 06:50:57 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Current definition used in the church?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3454</link>
			<description><![CDATA[T Jugg, Fascinating comments Tody. I'm afraid you've may have missed the intention. If FNs are called accurately and according to Standard Tech, that's the point then in'it.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jim Logan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 06:48:50 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Tech Corruption: Floating Needles</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3453</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Weren't there videos that showed the various needle manifestations, including the F/N? And if there were, when were they made and what did they show?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 06:13:39 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Current definition used in the church?</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I haven't seen a cancellation of the DM bulletin redefining an F/N. That'd be a key indicator that this stuff has really been "knocked out". I know that 5 years ago, the SHSBC auditing supervisors at ASHO were still enforcing the DM alteration. Anyone?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Plain Old Thetan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 01:23:05 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: Tech Corruption: Floating Needles</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3451</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Pericles: I don't know which reference you're referring to, but my tape notes have Power Process references here: HCO B 6 August 1965 QUALIFICATIONS TECHNICAL ACTIONS (5) A pc who makes no case gain is suppressive (and can only be handled by Power Processes and a Class VII auditor). TAPE 2 August 1966 SHSBC 436 SUPPRESSIVES AND GAEs The last Power process can make an SP a non-SP. TAPE 25 August 1966 SHSBC 441 THE ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY You can blow up a suppressive with Power processes.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Plain Old Thetan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 01:17:53 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Tech Corruption: Floating Needles</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Thank you Jim for all the time you put into this. It is very valuable and I hope that others lurking understand what has happened to them as a pc or what they are doing to a pc as an auditor with this altered definition. I always thought that this definition was changed to purposely overrun pcs and throw them back into what they came out of which meant more auditing time and money with no consideration of the damage to the pc's case. Again, thank you.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 19:00:48 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Tech Corruption: Floating Needles</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Jim: This is an excellent summary of the actual tech of the situation. But in addition to this, there is the politics/ethics of the situation. The heavy hand of ethics was applied to auditors and examiners who failed to properly "adjust their thinking" and miscall or no-call F/Ns per the DM definition. I know one Class VI intern who quit the internship in tears because there was no further ways she could think of to do lowers on her F/N calling. The politics/ethics of the situation have wasted good auditors and good examiners who were only trying to help. HCOB 22 January 77 IN-TECH, THE ONLY WAY TO ACHIEVE IT has been continuously violated in the "new F/N campaign". And it's wasted perfectly good Qual Secs and Cramming Officers on the way. Some day you and I must confab on whether or not the redefinition of "instant" caused similar collateral damage.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Plain Old Thetan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:18:38 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Current definition used in the church?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3448</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I have a friend still in the CofS who finished OT8 recently. The F/N redefinition issue has been one of the things I've raised with him. He reckons that the three-swing requirement for an F/N was just some verbal tech that was spotted and knocked out some years ago. They haven't had to watch for the 3 swings since he got onto Solo NOTS 8 or 9 years ago (according to his statement to me). This would makes the year they changed back to the LRH version 2001 or 2002. However this doesn't jibe with another report which shows the three-swings rule still in full effect in about 2006 according to this writeup: [censored]://markrathbun.wordpress. com/2010/08/01/international-audito r-of-the-year-speaks-out/ It would be good to get data about the issue in PT as this kind of information has to be spot-on in order to impinge. Is it possible some tech departments in the church have independently gone back to the proper definition? Or has the church now totally gotten rid of the three-swings ruling? It's important to have the proper data otherwise it just gives the on-lines Scn a point to ridge up on and also an excuse to avoid considering the other issues.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Toby Jugg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:21:14 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Bingo</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3447</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Dan, I worked with Sue on the Method Two Word Clearing issue. That was a great cycle. I've seen her, under whatever it is she is experiencing now, go 'off', like this FN issue and the one on Fast Flow Training. Sue did a Board of Review on an RPF cycle of mine. She was brilliant. I gotta say, I will always have a soft spot in my heart for her. Always.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jim Logan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:09:35 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Dictionary definition</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Paul, What constitutes 'regular'? How many swings establish a 'pattern'? As a musician, I can play a bar of two, three, four or eighty seven. It's still 'rhythm', no matter the duration and 'regularity' of alternation.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jim Logan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:03:54 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Dictionary definition</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3445</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Paul, Rhythmic has been interpreted according to some sort of musical definition in the 'three swing' arbitrary. I'm a musician and have studied rhythm. I play drums, it's my thing. I can tell you from a musical perspective there is 'regular', as in metronomic and there is 'regular' as in say, rubato. Music, if it's alive, 'breaths'. Just like the FN. What would constitute regular? Is two enough to be a pattern? It certainly is musically if you know anything about music. You've missed the whole point if you are going to quibble over the meaning of 'regular'. Read the LRH refs again, especially Arbitraries.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jim Logan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:58:38 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Tech Corruption: Floating Needles</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3444</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Awesome work, MOQ!! Thanks for doing this! I honestly think this is, by far, the single biggest crime perpetrated on Scientology and Scientologists by the Vertically Challenged One.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Freedom Fighter</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:39:40 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Tech Corruption: Floating Needles</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3442</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Gosh, Being one of the first ones here makes one blush down to the toes. I know I'm talking to the choir here, but I'll say it anyway as I am sure it has been said in a myriad of different ways. If one needed to find a very simple way to close the route to total spiritual freedom this is it! CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF A FLOATING NEEDLE!!!!!!!!!!! Jim is so correct here in outlining the whole history of the floating needle. Makes me want to drop a smart bomb on the whole lot. Jim's point is well made here. Shoving aside all the other out tech that DM is responsible for this is the key to the gatehouse, the key to the route, and when the key doesn't work, you can't get in or out. LRH is the Key Master...DM is not! He is a wanna be and will always be a wanna be no matter how hard he tries to beat the tech to death. David Miscavige is the epitome of the glib student, the provisional auditor who hasn't got the balls to sit down and audit anyone. It takes guts to audit someone, and it's a coward who can't or won't when he has the availability of LRH's precious technology available to him. The gnome can't see through his MUs and he has a passel of them. I remember a quote from the study tapes, " The degree of ethics that has to be applied is directly proportional to the number of MUs." Does an ethics gradient even exist to cover the ethics gradient that needs to be applied to DM. We will have to apply standard ethics tech to this guy 'not very far' down the road. I remember LRH saying somewhere that the only processing that works on an SP is Power Processing.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Pericles</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:16:47 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Bingo</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3441</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Great job, Jim. This article should be shoved in front of every auditor and preclear affected by the DM bastardization of F/Ns (and cases). The number of sessions that have been driven off the rails because they never got beyond rudiments must be humongous. In three years after this revision was issued and Sue and I were still living together, she never brought up this change to the LRH bulletin. I don't think she was proud of it! By the way, Merrill Mayo was the one working with LRH on the 1979 revision to E-Meter Essentials.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Joe Howard</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:04:15 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Tech Corruption: Floating Needles</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3440</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I had the opportunity this week to sit across from a preclear on the cans. Without the duress and arbitrary application of the DM-altered definition of Floating Needle, I found it surprising EASY to recognize and call F/Ns. LRH F/Ns. All I had to do was LET the preclear get the charge off. And the needle would float. All by itself. If the needle isn't floating, something or someone must be suppressing it. Pretty damn simple, in my reckoning.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Plain Old Thetan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 10:03:31 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Dictionary definition</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Jim, you quote: The American Heritage Dictionary online defines “rhythm” as: Movement or variation characterized by the regular recurrence or alternation of different quantities or conditions. I think that definition means exactly and only the same as "Movement or variation characterized by the regular recurrence or [regular] alternation of different quantities or conditions." Thus I disagree with your opinion in this area, which depends on "alternation" and not "regular alternation." Paul]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Paul Adams</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 06:30:14 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Throrugh</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/tech-corruption-floating-needles.html#comment-3438</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Impressive piece of clarification.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Geir Isene</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 03:38:25 -0600</pubDate>
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