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		<title>Freeloaders: Extortion money</title>
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			<title>RE: RE: Freeloaders: Extortion money</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/freeloaders-extortion-money.html#comment-3976</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I was in the SO 23 years, the last 16 as the Mechanics Chief Freewinds.In 1980 as FSO staff I remember 5he issue described by Janis above where staff members would have the "freeloader" bills rolled back every 5 years of service. The several staff who "routed out" from the Freewinds went through hell. One, Paul Ellensohn, our Chief Electrician, took 2 years to get off of the ship. He was threatened with SP declares, etc. I always had the view that the only way to get off of the ship was "in a box". Well, at least it worked for me. I had had a blood transfusion in Curacao in 1989 and worked there another 13 years. In the last 6 or 7 years the fatigue got worse and worse. I told the MLO countless times but she just thought it was from the long hours ( I did one job for 42 hours straight; well actually I did manage to get something to eat). After it came up in a CMO Metered interview that I had had suicide thoughts after I was denied permission to go to my parent's 50th wedding anniversary celebration. (It had been 7 years since I had been allowed to see any member of my family. CO CMO had an RTC order that I go into session everyday with tailor made FPRD. auditing. It went great for a while but atarted to bog as I was dead tired no matter how much sleep I got. I was sent to a hospital for testing. A week later I was called up to the MLO's office and with the Captain and Chieff Officer there, told that I was going for further testing to see Dr Denk. The Captain told me not to tell my wife I was going becasuse "You know how women can be about things like this". I thought WTF? I'm going to go to my cabin now and pack in front of her and then disappear in the morning without telling her? The Captain said OK, tell her." What they were withholding from me is that I had tested positive for HIV, and as far as they were concerned, I was already dead and never coming back. They later did their best to ensure that that was the case, which I have explained on Marty's blog. I left the ship the next day and went to see Denk. When I walked into Denk's office, he looked up sadly from behind his desk and said "They didn't tell you. did they? I had to 8C my own Fitness Board to be held(as why waste the effort on a corpse)as later I went to talk to IJC in LA as my wife was still being held against her will on the ship. When the Findings were written they stated that I was ineligible for SO membership "solely for medical reasons" ( I had already spent over half of this lifetime in the SO; a little late to decide that I didn't qualify,and my stats were up for many years. I was granted an extended leave of absence and ordered to return to duty "As soon as possible Next Lifetime." As an aside, I often did Quartermaster duty at the gangway as well as my own post. For several months around 1998 I was surprised to see that the QM desk had been turned around so the the QM, instead of facing outward to observe external threats to the ship, now faced inward. Obviously, the real threats were now considered to be the people on the ship, not the people off of it. It had been designed obviously to keep people from escaping from the ship. Bill Straass]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bill Straass</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:35:45 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Freeloaders: Extortion money</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/freeloaders-extortion-money.html#comment-3597</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Lastly I have to say what a horrible strat move on DM's/and other idiots to leave these stellar beings out there on the sidelines...stupid and stupider...then to do the stupider and use the F/L debt as a means to gain further control by reducing it..if you pay for this and that...idiots...all around idiots...they must think we are dumb and dumber to not catch on to this...the true intentions are so buried they can't see their nose despite their face!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>cured robot</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 19:50:44 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Freeloaders: Extortion money</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/freeloaders-extortion-money.html#comment-3596</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Another spot on observation that I have been bitching about for years to deaf ears! All I can say if that justice was truly done imagine how many people would be back in the fold really contributing and disseminating, etc, but no, DM has to use this as a mind F___ to keep people in shackles from mass exodus. From what I have read, LRH use to say any of you who don't want to be here, you're fee to go. Imagine if DM said that, with no strings attached, hell the place would be emptied out! And his liability would be to hell and back so he has to keep people locked up in fear.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>cured robot</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 19:26:36 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Freeloaders: Extortion money</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/freeloaders-extortion-money.html#comment-3555</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I think it's called FRAUD!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Pericles</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:53:49 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Freeloaders: Extortion money</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/freeloaders-extortion-money.html#comment-3548</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Part of the deal to "get back in good standing" (yikes) is that you not only pay a "greatly reduced freeloader bill" but also donate a set of the basics. This is criminal.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>observer</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:52:11 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>CLOs source of income</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/freeloaders-extortion-money.html#comment-3538</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thank you for the well-presented info. * Very few realize that the collection of those made-up, illegal Freeloader 'Debts' is one of the MAIN source of income for the Continental Liaison Offices. The other sources are outer-org trainees fees and 10% of the Corrected Gross Income of the Central Org of that continent e.g. New York for CLO East US, Toronto Day & Foundation (evenings) for CLO Canada, etc. Flag Bureaux & Networks (FCB) used to get, PER LRH !, 10% of the CGI of the FSO, since the Flag Service Org is the "Central Org of Flag Management. In 1996, David Miscavidge CANCELLED that source of income for the newly formed Flag Liaison Office (now called Int. Liaison Office) with his New Era of Mis-Management. He implemented the collection of Freeloader Debts as a MAIN source of revenue for the Int.Liaison Office as well, the other being the billing of churches for outer-org trainees sent (mandatory) to the Int. Training Org (ITO). One problem being that churches waste their time day-in/day-out regging for the Bleeping IA$ and Idle Org building. As a result, there is not enough Gross Income coming from Grade Chart donations, and the churches can't pay off their bills for outer-org trainees sent to the Continental Training Org. David Miscavidge thought this machination out very well. Sea Org Management staff in Dept.7 Dept of Income spend their days and nights CALLING Ex-Sea Org members and HARASSING them to pay off those made-up, illegal FL Debts. They also mail them invoices. Nowadays, they probably inundate Ex-SO's e-mail accounts with daily e-mails of payment requests. IT'S BLEEPING INSANE !]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jean-François Genest</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 23:25:03 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: REFUND Requests/Cases</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/freeloaders-extortion-money.html#comment-3528</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Janis, I would love to hear all your memoirs with LRH. Are they out there somewhere? I have a link that refs. to the PL you mention. HCO PL 11 June 1981R Violation of Staff Covenant. [censored]://www.robertdam-cos.dk/H CO%20PL%2011%20June%201981R.pdf [censored]://www.robertdam-cos.dk/F reeloaders.html [censored]://www.wiseoldgoat.com/pa pers-scientology/hubbard_vs_freeloa ders.html]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ottis</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 20:00:30 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>JUST A THOUGHT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/freeloaders-extortion-money.html#comment-3495</link>
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			<dc:creator>Pericles</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:55:46 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Freeloaders: Extortion money</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/freeloaders-extortion-money.html#comment-3491</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I have a friend who gave 25 years of service in the SO ... got massive products. Left for health reasons and ended up with a 300k+ freeloader debt. One time he told me how someone from his org's Treasury (where he was SO) had contacted him and raved about some deal where he could not be a freeloader anymore if he just paid $5k ... I don't think lower conditions were ever imposed on him. If you knew his products, you'd know a lower condition would be a wrong assignment. Anyway, I am in agreement that this F/L policies, both the SO mentions of it and HCOPL mentions of it by LRH were never meant to be carried out in such a way as to a) be suppressive and b) be applied blanket-style to everyone without any consideration of their time of service, stats, products, etc. It seems that people who really CAN'T think with the data try to lump together everyone under one umbrella. Hence the lumping of several definitions of Floating Needle, hence the lumping of everyone who leaves as a freeloader, etc. If a kid comes back next lifetime and reports in as ex-SO but wants to just get some processing, is he labeled a freeloader for leaving, or perhaps the unauthorized departure from his/her former life? How crazy and A=A can we get ...]]></description>
			<dc:creator>FOS</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:57:55 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Freeloaders: Extortion money</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/freeloaders-extortion-money.html#comment-3489</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Gosh is this some sort of sick Joke or what ? Second they must be desperate to get people to go back. They aren't able to confront reality that they have lost and desperate to try and recall those stupid enough to do it,then they are PTS to DM and his fake Church. God knows for what reason would any one what to do take the church offer up on this so call reduced Freeloader Bill. Its rubbish Come on.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>hadley</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:47:42 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Freeloaders: Extortion money</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/freeloaders-extortion-money.html#comment-3488</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Well... The current way freeloader policy is applied is: 1. A disincentive to leave staff, which only grows stronger in the doubtful staff member with each passing year, 2. A make-wrong for anyone leaving, ie, your staff contributions, no matter how great, or how long you served, mean nothing, and you are now at a point of criminal exchange with the church, ie, you owe for all the services you took because your work was worthless. 3. A control method to keep people who left staff and probably are disgruntled to a greater or lessor degree, AWAY from the rest of the flock who are going along obediently. 4. A penance for your crime of leaving staff before a billion years is up. Another make wrong, any way you look at it. These points above are utterly transparent to anyone outside the church or to people who've left and have had time to think about it. It is extremely damaging to the church to continue this policy, yet they continue to do it. If you read Jeff Hawkin's Counterfeit Dreams, you see that the last straw for him was when he really woke up to the utter injustice of his freeloader bill. That is when he realized he wasn't gonna be a scientologist any more. When you are still on staff, however, the idea of a freeloader debt of several tens of thousands of dollars can be terrifying, particularly when you've had your havingness and confidence bitch-slapped into dust by a decade or so of 50.00 a week pay, if that. Many of the staff that remain have been on staff for a long long time or were recruited as kids who never even had a job flipping burgers at McDonalds, such scenario commonly being foisted off on staff as their dismal fate if they are contemplating leaving. This topic makes my blood boil and even more so when I think of those magnanimous types who are cutting deals with grateful ex-SO to reduce their debts if they buy more boxes of basement filler. GRRRRR!!!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>John Doe</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:26:36 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Freeloaders: Extortion money</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/freeloaders-extortion-money.html#comment-3487</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thank you for writing this article. This church of miscabage just gets more and more criminal daily. What a shame there are so many good SO members that worked their asses off to pay off these debts and in the end were still snubbed. Criminal just plain criminal. I agree with asking (demanding) it back and filing a complaint letter to the attorney generals office, one in Florida and one in your state.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:47:23 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Freeloaders: Extortion money</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/freeloaders-extortion-money.html#comment-3486</link>
			<description><![CDATA[One could say we are all CULTivating Scientology and weeding whilst we go!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Pericles</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:09:57 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: Freeloaders: Extortion money</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/freeloaders-extortion-money.html#comment-3485</link>
			<description><![CDATA[There is some talk regarding the $ paid to freeloader debts gets automatically credited to one's service account for training and processing]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Pericles</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:57:21 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Freeloaders: Extortion money</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/freeloaders-extortion-money.html#comment-3484</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ONCE AN SP, ALWAYS AN SP!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Pericles</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:54:19 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: REFUND Requests/Cases</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/freeloaders-extortion-money.html#comment-3481</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thanks Janis! This actually mean that David Miscavige kept hundreds of ex SO members out of the Bridge and out of Scientology with huge FL bills, in fact punishing more those who served longer. Talk about being suppressive!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>MostlyLurker</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:56:40 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: REFUND Requests/Cases</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/freeloaders-extortion-money.html#comment-3480</link>
			<description><![CDATA[There are several tapes of talks between LRH and myself in late 1979 concerning this exact subject of Sea Org Freeloaders and how the longer one remained in the SO the debt became too large, making it impossible forEx Sea Org to get back on the bridge or even return to the SO, if they wised. We then agreed during these talks to change the policy for Sea Org members to align with Class IV org policy taking the debt back to 0 for each five years of service. I wrote up the issues on this which were all LRH approved. On the tapes I can be heard explaining in detail each of the issues I wrote, based off several recorded conversations over time on the subject of freedloader bills and staff pay. In these tapes LRH asks me questions about various points and has me make changes to certain points and in the final tape he verbally approves all my issues. For corporate purposes, LRH was not supposed to be involved in church decisions so these issues were put out in the name of the Board of Directors and he did not sign them as approved, but his verbal approval is on those tapes. DM has the transcripts of the tapes and even the original tapes but still ordered these issues cancelled.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Janis</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:28:33 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>REFUND Requests/Cases</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/freeloaders-extortion-money.html#comment-3477</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I posted this also on Marty's site under WHAT IMPINGES (Survey Results) and cross referenced it to this article: I didn’t pay any freeloader bill but I would suggest EVERYONE who did pay a Freeloader Bill (but does not fall into the actual definition of a “Freeloader” – which will be very close to if not 100% of the people) should request a refund of any money paid. Besides being the right and just thing to do – it would also put pressure onto the C of M to STOP issuing fraudulent freeloader bills. It would help you AND others that are on their way out of the C of M. CJC’s and IJC will hopefully receive lots of refund requests which somehow have to be dealt with. It could well be that they never answer the refund request so put a time limit onto your request before you file a refund suit with the courts. I am sure there will be lots of lawyers who will do this for a moderate fee (you should see that any fee you have to pay is moderate and fair – otherwise find another lawyer). The lawyers could even co-operate and co-ordinate their actions – even using the internet platforms already established – possibly Steven Hall could make yet another category for all those who wish to file a refund suit (IMO his site is the best suited for this type of information). I wouldn’t be too concerned that you have paid the bill “out of your own agreement” – there is malpractice in this (see the above article) ALSO: the Headley’s case would be flanked by other actions as well.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Samuel</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 07:03:11 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Freeloaders: Extortion money</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/freeloaders-extortion-money.html#comment-3475</link>
			<description><![CDATA[As one who has paid a freeloader bill, thank you, that blows some charge!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Obnosis</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 02:49:35 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Freeloaders: Extortion money</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/freeloaders-extortion-money.html#comment-3473</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this thoughtful post. Obviously, the freeloader designation was only meant for people who wittingly or unwittingly took some undue advantage of orgs by joining staff, especially for a short time. I have never seen any LRH directive which applied the concept of "freeloader" to Sea Org members at all. Possibly someone simply assumed that the policy applied to the Sea Org, as well as to orgs. Clearly, even in the case of orgs, the policy should have been applied sparingly, and only in cases where it was clearly justified. Would anyone in his right mind think it was just to bill an org staff member for thousands of dollars for training received where the staff member left after 3 years of service on a 5 year contract? This would never be done in the private business world, never mind the fact that the staff member probably worked a great many hours per week for hardly any money at all during all of those three years. By the same token, the idea of giving freeloader bills to long term Sea Org members is also completely off policy and fundamentally very unfair. As a public person viewing the issue from the outside, I always thought the idea of freeloader bills was basically wrong. People should be thanked and acknowledged for the service they did give, even when they can no longer give that service.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Your humble servant</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:42:04 -0600</pubDate>
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