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		<title>Pricing Scientology out of reach</title>
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			<title>RE: Pricing Scientology out of reach</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4458</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I venture to say, this pricing issue is the number ONE reason orgs have not expanded, and in fact have decreased in size and influence. Having run my org for several years, I know how hard we all worked in every division, but the overriding barrier was that the major services were simply unaffordable to all but the wealthy. And this was during Reaganomics, when so many folks were feeling flush. But not THAT flush! And we milked the few who had huge credit limits to the point of their own bankruptcy. I'm not exaggerating, I've seen it over and over. That's FREEDOM? And now, in our all but collapsed economy the church has been suppressively unaltered in its pricing to the public, paying no heed to the fact that most of us have had to struggle to simply stay employed and feed our families. Boggles the mind. Thanks Tom.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 18:20:54 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Pricing Scientology out of reach</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4456</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Lets go earlier similar. In 1976 missions were booming. Auditing was $35.00 an hour ($437.50) per intensive. Books were inexpensive and training was too. Then came: 'LRH ED 284 Int', 16 Sep 76 “The Solution to Inflation.” This mandated a 5% per month price raise. This helped at first, and became a standard regging tool... HOWEVER... This was allowed to go on until 1981 despite the one year time limit of one year for LRH ED's. By this time auditing was over ten times the original amount, and premium auditing like at FLAG was even higher. The number of auditing hours and the number of people getting trained began to decline.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>A.K.Myers</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:32:50 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Pricing Scientology out of reach -- The Alternative</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4424</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I have nothing to add to the fascinating exchange here except for this: in the last year and a half or two for about $2600 in the independent field I did my ARC SW, very near the completion of Grade 0 (I think), untangled and repaired all my past auditing, attested Clear and did CCRD. This is pricing Scientology within reach.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Michael Priv</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 18:25:03 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Pricing Scientology out of reach</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4422</link>
			<description><![CDATA[So very spot on. One would think more "OTs" would see this, but even the public is too scared. And the newer younger generations have no idea of how it used to be. Real Scientology exists as an independent movement.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Seeking4know</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 12:19:56 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: Pricing Scientology out of reach</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4420</link>
			<description><![CDATA[After 23 years in the SO, first at Flag and then on the Freewinds, I was ejected from the ship when they had me tested for HIV and I was found to be positive. This is illegal as hell but not the subject of this post. After I recovered my wife wanted me to make it to OTIII this lifetime. (I went clear in 1952 in Wichita and though I have gotten some great auditing in the SO, I am basically still at that point on the Bridge. She bought a house and a year later got a refinanced loan before the market tanked. She paid $28,600 to AOLA for my Solo II to OT III package and 4 intensives for my setups. After that we received an average of 5 calls or contacts per day for about 6 months goading us to use the money to pay for basics, IAS WTH donations and whatever new videos or things the Chuch had come up with. Now all of that money is gone. No OTII package. I only received 2 of the intensives. I was told that they do not deliver OT preps anymore to people unless the have to redo their OT levels. Since it was obvious that they were never going to deliver what they promised and would continue harrasing us until the money was all gone, I ended up giving them the rest of the money. So, after spending my entile adult life in the SO working to get others up the Bridge. Robbers with guns say "Your money or your life". The current church has gotten both.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bill Straass</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 08:54:24 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: Pricing Scientology out of reach</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4418</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Yeah well at least the people in them were of greater concern than the MEST surrounding them back then.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 22:53:07 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: Pricing Scientology out of reach</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4417</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I agree Mimsey. This in my opinion has been the Church's strategy ever since regaining coveted 501ciii and why they now concentrate on IAS *donations* since they are tax deductable and non-refundable. I say if you want Scientology then forget about the Church of Scientology :)]]></description>
			<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 22:48:34 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Pricing Scientology out of reach</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4415</link>
			<description><![CDATA[You might consider this, that taking money for training and processing creates a liability of having to deliver it and risks having refunds if the public don't have wins. It is safer to have the public dono for ideal orgs and IAS and avoid all of the refund issues. As long as there is an illusion of expansion by the construction of new ideal orgs, the well heeled can support the church for years risk free. Mimsey]]></description>
			<dc:creator>mimsey borogrove</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 09:18:54 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: True</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4410</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thanks for rehabbing my win on doing the levels Steve and Jimbo :) That was back in the days when training was fun! Last time I was there to do my BC *un* certainty it was like being a Galley slave.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 23:32:38 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Re: Pricing out of reach</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4409</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Tom, Actually the Acads 0-IV back in '75 were 250 each or 1000 for the package so if you 4xed them they'd be 4 grand making them 2 grand with a full scholarship. But even at 8 grand they're still a deal compared to what they're selling for now. Also back in the old days the Student Hat and M1 Coaudit course were freebes (what are they now 10 grand?) And you did the basic books while doing the levels.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 21:21:15 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Re: Pricing out of reach</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Jimmy, correct you are, only my early days it was $1250. LRH said to price the certificate levels no less than one months pay for the average person in that area. BUT - the big difference is that in those days metering and Trs were part of Level 0 and there weren't other pre-requisits and no basics and so forth. We don't have apples = apples right now because of all the BS blocking training. The aqverage cost of a house in 1975 was $28 sq ft. Now it is $95 sq ft. (4X) The average cost of a car was $5,000 in 1975. Now it is $22,000 (4X) So if Jimmy and Steve paid $2,000 for their levels in the 70's then it should be 4X of that now ($8,000) including the metering and TRs. ML Tom]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Tom M</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 16:49:25 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>True</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4407</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Jim, That is right. I did my Academy Levels in the early to mid 1980s and nearly all of them took exactly two weeks.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Thoughtful</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 16:22:04 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Pricing Scientology out of reach</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4406</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Tom, I recall those halcyon days when the Levels were sold as a package, and if they were, the Student Hat was part of it and the works were $2000. The EXACT same LRH tech, the exact right drills needed on each Level to DO that auditing and it took an average of 2 weeks per. The intention was to make auditors so auditors were made. It's as simple as that.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jim Logan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 16:18:50 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Chipping in</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4405</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thoughtful Steve, You are right Miscavige is *stooopid". (I had him pinned as a complete moron back when I saw him on Nightline.) But he is *evil* as well and part of a conspiracy to destroy Scientology. I'm sure there is someone up lines who knows damn well that if you make training so onerous and drawn out forever you will eventually wreck the subject that is advising the little simpleton. Pricing is part of it but also there has been this false datum that has been prevalent for quite a number of years that training "takes as long as it takes" which is a datum that only applies to auditing. Training is supposed to be *fast*. In fact there is an HCOB entitled "Fast Courses" that has basically been totally thrown out. It shouldn't take more than a year to train a Class VIII under a good supervisor from the bottom up. Also there is some weird think that the Organization should be like some college or university and take years to train someone. In the meantime they are intentionally speeding up read encouraging *quickie* (particularly on the lower levels) auditing and discouraging co-auditing. Why spend months or even weeks training so you can co-audit if all your grades can be done in several days or in 20 minutes? Also you can no longer co-audit preps and Eligibility even if you are a Saint Hill grad because the HCOBs are limited dist to SO personal only. Not only that but you can no longer Co-audit OT IV on Class VIII despite a HCOPL written specifically by Ron that said you could. In fact any Class VIII currently being "trained" is no longer allowed to audit, repair or review Advanced Courses which is now restricted to SO personnel. So what is the point of doing Class VIII anymore? Funny thing is that with all upper level auditing including NOTs limited to SO they take longer to do because the usual Pre OT now is pretty much a bypassed case. And guess who makes a percentage on all this? Aside from the fact that someone who is manifesting out lower grades and who lacks actual *training* per the HCOB Training and OT is not really going to make it to OT. So here you have a combination of greed, stupidity and evil intent.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 13:49:40 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: RE: Pricing Scientology out of reach</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4404</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Concerning the last quote: If the rumor-lines are right, it looks like things would get even worse. The next solution to the mess created by the earlier solutions is in sight. GAT 2.0 is supposed to speed up auditing by reducing the processes applied ("so that people can afford it"). Cheers!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>alice</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 11:43:01 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Pricing Scientology out of reach</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4403</link>
			<description><![CDATA[There may have been a few "big fat expanding orgs" throughout the 70’s to the mid-80’s but they were far and few between from what I observed. The idea that Scientology ever went through a boom is a fallacy. The biggest proof of this was Boston. It was stat pushed by a Sea Org Command Team and according to LRH became St Hill size (see LRH ED 339R on the Birthday Game). Boston quickly reverted back to a handful of public and has pretty much remained that way over the years. At least on the east coast the only Org I ever heard of that boomed at one time was Miami but my guess is that was only a Div 6 "boom" not a Div 4 boom. The number of public in most Orgs seems to be always about the same no matter what time period. It usually comes down to a couple dozen public who get worked over and over and over. On the other hand there were some BIG missions.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>expelled4life</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 07:55:24 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Chipping in</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4402</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Dear All, if you don't mind I'd like to chip in too. I think part of the problem is a confusion over the value of courses vs. what a price would enable the maximum number of people to move up the Bridge while still enabling the org to cover it's expenses. It is a matter of aligning price to purpose. In the case of the Church, it is a matter of misalignment. You can't place a value on the tech — the number is astronomical. Of course one can't actually charge that because then no one can afford services but the very wealthy. Which is idiocy because the mission of Scientology, and the purpose is, to create millions of auditors. Well, dumb-ass Miscavige has this priced so he is making maybe 10 auditors internationally per week. Even if it were 10,000 auditors a week, it would still be infinitesimal compared to 6 billion. 10K auditors a week is 500,000 auditors a year, which is still .000083 compared to 6 billion people; i.e., infinitesimal. These sports of calculations are not new. I did the math in 1990 when I was putting together my revision of book pricing. So the purpose is profoundly off. Miscavige says in his tinker-toy brain, "the value is astronomical, so all prices must be astronomical." And snap — no one can afford Scientology. I said Miscavige is "stupid" but from the quote at the beginning of Tom's article, it's evident it's really evil purposes, and lots of them.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Thoughtful</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 07:53:31 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Pricing Scientology out of reach</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4399</link>
			<description><![CDATA[As an additional comment: Is it just me or do those people pictured on the cover of the mag look like crash test dummies to anyone else?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 01:39:37 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: Pricing Scientology out of reach</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4398</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Actually Foremost when you factor in inflation you'll find that the median household income has decreased over the years. The cost of services these days is more than the average person can afford. Prices should be set according to HCOPL 23 Sept 1964 which is actually based on "the average lower class of lower middle class pay scale" which at this time is way less than 49000 and probably around 24 to 30000. Also for some reason the Scholarship program was dropped out. Probably an oversight....yeah right. Since at one time those who wanted to train as auditors were considered "upstat and important people". Now its patrons of the IAS. Thus you can see where the definition of "upstat and important" has been totally *perverted* within the organization and redefined by agitprop to the contrary. However like you I don't fully agree with with Tom's assessment. Correct Miscavige is a "who" but this according to the DS means your eval is incomplete. The question is why would anyone throw out good policy and follow such a psychotic (obviously psychotic per the definition of psychosis as given in the HCOB of that title also known as C/S series 22) moron's simple simon arbitrary orders. It's almost like at the highest echelons of Scientology no one there ever heard of a job endangerment chit or an orders query! Secondly the training stats started falling like the proverbial "shot duck" long before the lunatic came up with the "bright idea" of "Ideal Orgs" with the introduction of the "Golden Arbitrary of Tech" and continued to spiral downward after the "Basics". As you can see. The student not only has to jump the hurdle of out gradient meter drills. (By the way accurate meter dating is not a requirement for Levels 0-IV) But now has to weed their way through a course of "Basics" that rivals the SHSBC in size and complexity. Worse! Its all nothing but *theory*. We see right here there is no real intention to make auditors. To make a Class IV back in the dark ol' days when the "blind were (supposedly) leading the blind" it took 6 weeks. Now it takes 6 years! And it is not just the "Basics" but all those stupid useless "drill" which totally violate HCOPL 16 April AD 15 Issue II "Drills Allowed"! Training has been totally and completely sabotaged! By turning it into a virtually endless runway. The fact is even if they reduced the price of training auditors. The process of training has been so bottle necked by arbitrary courses and actions that most people would lose heart since it is so long and involved! Ron writes in the RED Orders to Divisions For Immediate Compliance point 11 for Div IV: "Courses should be fast, auditing drawn out. This is the exact reverse to what has been happening. *SLOW COURSES AND FAST AUDITING DESTROY THE SUBJECTS OF DNS AND SCN* (em[censored]asis added). Fast courses and long long hours of auditing are the route to real gains and solvency."]]></description>
			<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 23:52:26 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Simple</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[JD, It is simple really. There may be people in South Central who want to train badly but cannot afford it. The prices quoted in the article are, in fact, not out of line with what it costs a student to attend a good college or university for a year or two, the same time it would take a student to get through an org's training lineup. The solution? Simple--reg the Craig Jensens of the Scientology world to provide scholarships to deserving students, the same as any legitimate college does. In fact, when Steve Hall and I worked in Marketing together several years ago, I even proposed this as a solution to boom training. Of course it went nowhere because DM is interested in MEST, not living able people.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Dan Koon</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 23:51:11 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Inglewood: Ideal Org?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4396</link>
			<description><![CDATA[There is a lot of push for creating a new Ideal Org in Inglewood, CA. For those in the know, that is, anyone who "permits" themselves to read the internet, this effort is most likely an attempt to please the Nation of Islam opinion leaders about "how much Scientology is doing for the African-American community." However, according to Census data for Inglewood, which has an African-American population of over 47%,"the median household income in the community at the time of the last survey was $34,269." How is this community going to support this org? The cost of training ONE auditor is over 85% of median household income!! Is there going to be a "special" price for NOI members or members of their families? How do people write ten thousand dollar checks to support this Inglewood project without even thinking about these questions?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>John Doe</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 19:01:28 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Pricing Scientology out of reach</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4395</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ARBITRARY, 1. probably just a wrong why held in by law. And if so held in, it will crash the place. (HCO PL 13 Oct 70 II) 2. a false order or datum entered into a situation or group. (OODs 16 Apr 70) 3. anything which interrupts your ability to do your job. (7004CO9SO) 4.an interjected law or rule or decision which does not fit or is unnecessary. An arbitrary can be said to be something which actually violates natural law and which becomes, when held in place, an enforced lie. This causes endless board or governing body trouble whenever it occurs. (HCO PL 20 Oct 66 II) -adj. (a) derived from mere opinion or preference; not based on the nature of things;hence, capricious, uncertain, varying. (b) unrestrained in the exercise of will; of uncontrolled power or authority, absolute; hence, despotic, tyrannical. Usual forms of arbitrary are: disagreement, counter-policy, cross-order,other - intentionedness, counterintention, no reality. (BPL 10 Nov 73 II) Frankly, I can't think of anything in the current church of miscavology which is anything other than an ARBITRARY. That these arbitraries are crashing the place is pretty darn obvious. Les]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Les Warren</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 18:26:49 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Pricing Scientology out of reach</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4392</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I am going to be the odd-man out here and disagree with some parts of your assessment on the pricing. All the pricing is quite good for the training, and hasn't gone up drastically over the last decade. In terms of purchasing power vs. inflation it's quite OK. What I do find offensive here is the Basic Book Package Requirements and all the Donation requests thrown into one's path up the bridge. It's the incessant regging harassment and it's accompanying Used Car Salesman Environment that makes my stomach turn.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Formost</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 17:02:56 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Pricing Scientology out of reach</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4391</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Stats tell all. Scientology, under the David Miscavige camp, is dwindling. It's just a matter of time before the landslide begins. Churches of Scientology cannot live on air, and DM has set them up for a terrible slide by invoking, by force, properties which they cannot afford to support, in spite of the money-oriented stat push to do so. Some tumultuous times ahead for the Church, but necessary unfortunately. When it's done, we'll have to make sure that Scientology continues without the fancy, yet false, facade]]></description>
			<dc:creator>OTB</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 14:53:48 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Pricing Scientology out of reach</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4388</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Grear article! Please consider that a) "average income for the american household" is not the money available for materials and service, as there are costs for housing and food, etc. The amount available is in many cases only a tenth or twentieth of that, b) "household" may include more than one person, so this sum may need to be broken down before it can be compared to the prices given, as these are per person, not per "household". I have personally met people who's postulate wasn't anymore "DOING the Bridge", they had changed it into "MAKING MONEY FOR the Bridge". And after many years found out that they had gotten exactly what they had postulated: The did not move up the Bridge; they made money for doing the Bridge - all that time. AND THAT WAS ALL!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>alice</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 23:38:37 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Pricing Scientology out of reach</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4387</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Steve, thank you for your brave attempt to handle this and Tom, thank you for the current expose. When in Santa Barbara, a man came in with his two kids (aged 6 and 8 or so). The dad picked up the books "Study Skills for Life" and "Learning How to Learn". The kids were reachng for them as well. Dad looked at me and said "how much?". I said $31.75. Dad looked at the kids and said: "Put it down, honey". When Dissem Sec STL in the 70s (their BOOM years), I sold Academy levels, HSDC, both internships and all materials including a Mark V e-meter for less than $2,000.00. I recall is was just over $1,950.00.) These were standard prices for all (then) CL IV orgs. And those Academies were PACKED (see "What Happened to Training on the Friends of LRH Website for evidence of these booming orgs). Fast forward to PT and.................. Linda]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Linda McC</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 23:36:07 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Pricing Scientology out of reach</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4386</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Excellent detailed write-up. In a 2 month period there is ONE grade completion and ONE levels completion from an Ideal Class V org. Nothing says failure as much as this stat. The orgs product is clears and auditors. At 6 a year might as well say game over. Have a beer and watch the ball game because this Ideal Org is a total failure! Tom, you and I are from a different era, we used to may boatloads of Grades completions and Auditor levels completions. We made several times this stat in a week! This is sad. Hey guys who donated - look at what your millions bought. Failure. The price engram is only part of the problem. The out tech and non standard delivery is the other side. So disgusting!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sapere Aude</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 23:09:45 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Thanks for the info!</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/pricing-scientology-out-of-reach.html#comment-4385</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Great article & intro! Pricing & Fee Schedules is a subject near and dear to my heart. FWIW there is a growing collection of research materials gathered here on this subject: (newer stuff on the later pages & listed in full in historical index document) [censored]://www.scribd.com/collect ions/2731355/Scientology-Fee-Schedu les Thus I find this comment extremely poignant: "This means the pricing was done purposely in order to keep training out of reach of the average income maker in order to keep Scientology small and the tech unavailable." Thks for this insight... I always thought the extreme pricing increasing I've been documenting was just plain old greed run wild. I never thought to put an actual self-destructive reason behind it. "Greed has taken the whole universe, and nobody is worried about their soul." -- Little Richard]]></description>
			<dc:creator>AnonLover</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:02:01 -0600</pubDate>
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