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		<title>Germany Debrief</title>
		<description>Discuss Germany Debrief</description>
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			<title>RE: Germany Debrief</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/germany-debrief.html#comment-4511</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Great Videos! Ursula Caberta and Hamburg citizens, who have their own unique history of tolerance, contrary to Scientology's anti Germany propaganda, what you say about them is so true. When BBC John Sweeney was doing his first show, they were working on that show all through 2007, it came out finally in May-ish 2008, one of the BBC helpers was a German lady. I asked her could she do me a favor and introduce Ursula Caberta to me. I was born in Germany, of US parents, I speak passable German, and I wanted to communicate to and thank Ursula for her years of hosting all the earlier "old guard" critics of Scientology. Ursula for years has hosted a LOT of Americans to come speak at times in Germany. There's a whole longer range history. While the independents have built a group for themselves, there has been a lot of footwork, by a lot of people, in the years before, leading up to this climate the independents find themselves within. I'm so wishy-washy reasonable, that to me, on a good day, I think LRH would like to resolve all this long term splintering of his movement. In a perfect future world, I'd hire a number of the smartest independents into the top ranks of the movement, and let there be a 3-5 year research project how to longrange fix the whole movement, and then let all this make-wrong crap disappear. LRH invested a lot of his life in the organizational structures, and some of those structures are wrong and need reform (like OSA needs to be retired as a major first step). But there is a huge amount of accumulated MEST that official Scientology is responsible for, and their members, even while there are a lot of defections, more so now, with this climate of it being okay to be a Scientologist in the freezone and independent community, and with even recognition from a group that official Scientology has propagandized as a hate group, this Hamburg government official recognition of the rights of independent Scientologists to practice Scientology (minus the totalitarianism). What to do with the MEST church, I still think that the MEST official church has a very powerful life of its own, despite all the reform happening outside the MEST official church. (LRH talks in policy about how the administrative form of a group takes on a life of its own.) I hope, still, that the reform independent freezone Scientologists have a say or impact at causing official Scientology's reform internally, so that the whole movement is a single movement. So, I always favor smoothly reforming the official MEST church of Scientology so that ultimately Scientology is just one tolerant movement of all it's splinter factions. But maybe that is just so contrary to human history, this idea of a tolerant movement of splintered factions, maybe history shows that over really longer periods of times, what happens is splinter groups settle into a respectful impasse status quo. Thanks for your history accounting! I hope academics interested in ongoing Scientology movement history call you from time to time Steve! I'll definitely be referring them to you for your input into ongoing history!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Chuck Beatty</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 08:19:01 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Germany Debrief</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/germany-debrief.html#comment-4506</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Steve, Thank you as always for educating me and raising my confront of evil just that much more. Bless them, recently on an Italian blog someone posted that Mike and I are rich. This was what the regges in the church thought. The truth is, we just paid off our credit cards this year. I had to max them out when Mike was on the ship in 2006. So many people have been harmed in so many ways. This was never the purpose of Scientology. Thank you for helping to help others to differentiate. ml Laura]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Laura Ann</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 06:04:59 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Germany Debrief</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/germany-debrief.html#comment-4503</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Very well written as per usual. Thank you Thoughtful Steve. We are very fortunate that you survived those 17 years at Int, threw away the "church" straightjacket to blow the whistle in a big way and paving the way for others to travel safely up the road. K.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Kirsi</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 08:05:31 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: Germany Debrief</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/germany-debrief.html#comment-4502</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi Peter, absolutly agreed! I'm one of them too! Thank you so much Steve for your work and this report!! I used to be Registrar in Germany, 1988-1993 and 1995 to 1996 at FLAG! 'At the time, I would not have believed that the "church" could do such a thing. Naive me.'... This are exactly the words ... (Thanks Another Layer) But now we know the truth!!!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Wagner Rita</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 02:42:58 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Germany Debrief</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/germany-debrief.html#comment-4500</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I'm one of the attendees of this meeting and have to say how impressed I am to have met so many so great, lovely and assertive (opposite of submissive) individuals gathered in one room - wow !]]></description>
			<dc:creator>petermarkowski</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:01:28 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Germany Debrief</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/germany-debrief.html#comment-4496</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thanks Steve. Great pictures. Dono sent.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Simple</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:49:45 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Thank you</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/germany-debrief.html#comment-4495</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thank you for helping me with the expenses, I'm keeping track of donations in real time by updating the article. I know a lot of people wanted to go who couldn't make it, so I wanted to share the [censored]otos and videos so everyone benefits. I am surprised at how much PTSness there is — people think they are PTS to the German government, but that is a wrong item. The correct item is David Miscavige (suppressive person) and OSA (suppressive group).]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Thoughtful</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:36:30 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Germany Debrief</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/germany-debrief.html#comment-4494</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Beautiful job, Steve.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Maurice</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 02:54:44 -0600</pubDate>
			<guid>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/germany-debrief.html#comment-4494</guid>
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			<title>Universal Solvent</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/germany-debrief.html#comment-4493</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Steve, You are a stellar example of what honor and integrity produces. Thank you for your analysis of what really happened in Germany. How behind the scenes manipulations that were orchestrated from the top created such a distorted and despicable smear campaign. The ugly truths keep being brought into the light.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Eileen Clark</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 00:20:21 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Germany Debrief</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/germany-debrief.html#comment-4492</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the reports and [censored]otos and all of the work. Dono sent.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>the oracle</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 23:44:14 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Germany Debrief</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/germany-debrief.html#comment-4491</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thank you Steve. This was a superb debrief. In country after country of the world, the sheer criminality of Miscavology is exposed. The financial irregularities and the rape of Parishioner money, the internal sadism and ABUSE, getting slaves to work long long hours under the pretext of "religion". I honestly believe RTC and OSA commit crimes far worse than the old Guardian's office. Fair game actions against enemies are in full bloom, Sea Org members are in lockdown at GOLD Base, assaults, beatings, have continued for years.... enemies, spying, harassing investigations and litigation, abuse of confidential communications in parishioner files. This site is truthfully called "CULT"]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Karen#1</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 22:11:08 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Yet another wall comes down</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/germany-debrief.html#comment-4489</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Steve, Thank you for your excellent summation and documentation of the manufactured "situation" in Germany. When the false propaganda foundation was being laid in the 80's, I was public and thought that the church's attack/protest about Scientology in Germany was excessive, especially in light of what I'd heard in previous years from Germans vacationing in the United States (and my limited knowledge of Germany's history). I could relate to the need for the Berlin wall to come down, but TOTALLY missed the wall of false pr created by my own "church." At the time, I would not have believed that the "church" could do such a thing. Naive me. Thanks again for all of your work as a whistle-blower.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Another Layer</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:41:23 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Great, great debrief</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/germany-debrief.html#comment-4488</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Wonderful debrief, Steve. Great [censored]otos and videos. I guess this makes you an official news outlet. You have covered in a depth that no other media source has. Well done!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Dan Koon</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:55:21 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Germany Debrief</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/germany-debrief.html#comment-4487</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I really like your description of Tommy Davis. Good work in Germany. Thank you.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:21:33 -0600</pubDate>
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