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		<title>Has Anything Been Suppressed?</title>
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			<title>whatyousay</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-5256</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I have re-read your post again. I think you take the quotes from the'75 tape of LRH and draw your own conclusion, and I think you get it wrong. At the very end of your post you discuss left and right hand buttons. This datum from '62 directly contraticts your conclusion, does it not? I think you are taking something simple and making it extremely complicated in order to invalidate every question ever taken up due to reads on S or I buttons. I like this site somewhat as I have questions about things. But, I totally disagree with your "analysis" of tech here. I would love to see a response as I am not unwilling to look again at the issue. But, I think you should be careful throwing such datums out like this...]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:07:58 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>whatyousay</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-5253</link>
			<description><![CDATA[This is the most confusing thing I have read. I am an Interned Class IV, Solo auditor. Here is the simplicity as I know it: 1. All BTB's were cancelled. 2. On ruds, if you put in buttons and the button reads, you take the rud to EP. If you PC balks you clear (i.e. F/N) False or Protest. This applies equally to the MW/H rud. 3. On Confessionals there is a long list of buttons given in the HCOBs. If the button reads, the question has charge. You clear the question, not the button. It is a GAE to leave such a question by clearing just the rud. 4. L&N has LAWS. You follow those. Exactly. What is the confusion?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 09:39:54 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>idontthinkso</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-5252</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Sir, I am reading the posts on this site because, obviously, I have questions about my Bridge and my Church. But, your post here is the most confusing thing I have read. I am an interned Class IV (CC Int) and I am pretty sure you don't know what you are talking about. Let me explain: You seem to be making a case that some sec check questions were wrongly taken up because a button read. Is this correct? Here is what I think I know: 1. On Ruds, the buttons prevent the ruds from reading. You are cleaning the rud, not the button. If the PC balks you clean false or protest. This applies also the the mwh rud. 2. Confessional Procedure: there is a long list of buttons. If the buttons read, the question has charge. 3. L&N has LAWS. You follow those. Period. What am I missing here? You make it seem like there is some big revelation here, but I don't see that. Please explain. (Also, can we not refer to BTB's? These are all cancelled.)]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 09:31:11 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: RE: Has Anything Been Suppressed?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4869</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thank you Jim. I have come to the same conclusion. He's referring to an application of "Handling a Read", i.e. trying to get something to read AGAIN. It's all a matter of judgement and understanding what the meter is actually reading on. And the arbitrary that you bring up is certainly a barrier to that!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Class IV Auditor</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:06:41 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: Has Anything Been Suppressed?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4856</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hey there, I've just gotten a reminder of a Class VIII tape, THE LAWS OF LISTING AND NULLING and this very subject. The whole tape should be referred to for the full description of this as there are various sections of it that go over the material, but there is one specifically dealing with the exact Law of L&N on "suppress" and rechecking the item. Again, this isn't an arbitrary thing and the tape should be fully studied. Here's a quote: "When you are nulling you just say on balderdash has anything been suppressed read. When you've got the item, say the item and then the su.. its read will come off. Otherwise its read will stay on it. You've got to say the item again. On balderdash has anything been suppressed, on ragbags has anything been suppressed, on .. bong. Balderdash is the only reading item on the list. You say, good balderdash, there is your read. All right, you say, your item is balderdash."]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jim Logan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 12:12:21 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: Has Anything Been Suppressed?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4791</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Class IV, I’ve been thinking about this ref you’ve pointed up. Here’s a scenario for you. You ask “Have you stolen a grape?” and get no read. You check “On the question Have you stolen a grape, has anything been suppressed?” and get a Small Fall. You look at the fella and ask him what? What question are you asking? Is it “On the question - Suppressed?” or is it “Stolen a grape?” So he says, “yes, something is suppressed, while you were asking me that question I was looking at that mole on your cheek and wondering if it grows a hair every once in a while and what do you do about it.” And while he says this – bong, the exact same Small Fall. What do you do? Do you now take up stealing grapes? The reference you’ve given is exactly what it is. Does it then become a robotic application with no consideration of all the material related to meter reads, suppress, inval and the fact that all you know when the meter reads is that the meter reads? What it is reading on gives the duplicate read and when it is cleared that read is handled. You’ll note the quote you referenced also says IF you check the original question it will read. In the scenario I’ve given above, would you check the question again to see if IT is now reading? The HCOBs on Arbitraries and Handling a Read, and ALL of the data in the meter drills and various tapes and bulletins applies unless some later discovery about metering say, cancels or clarifies some earlier material. The quote you have given does not cancel any other metering data. Indeed, the quote you gave comes from earlier observation in the 60s while researching GPM tech and the various Routine 3s. I didn’t put every single BC tape comment on the subject in this one article. I invite you to study them for yourself. Search “suppress” and “transfer” and you’ll find the exact route of observation and comment on the manifestations. My aim in this article is to point out an arbitrary that entered into the subject. Hence, the last refs I give are Arbitraries and Handling a Read. Again, thankyou for the data from this EXDN tape. You’re right, I missed that in my research.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jim Logan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 13:31:09 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: Has Anything Been Suppressed?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4766</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Class IV, Excellent reference. Thank you. This EXDN ref is an important additon to the entire subject. I suppose it comes down the the final issues I referenced, HANDLING A READ and ARBITRARIES and knowing how to operate a meter and be in comm with your preclear. Again, good ref and again, thanks for pointing it up.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jim Logan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 03:19:42 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Has Anything Been Suppressed?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4633</link>
			<description><![CDATA[OMG ... you just threw a bomb into my mind! I have trained at Flag from 2003 to 2008 and well yes, we were teached to get the read on the question or item even if the button read. When I tried to ask the sup or the cram off such thing they kept on insinuating I had mus somewhere. The problem is really that compiled HCOB. Thanks for the great work indeed.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Frecciarossa</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 04:34:22 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Has Anything Been Suppressed?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4623</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Your research seems to have missed the following quote from a lecture given on 30 March 1972, entitled Expanded Dianetics: "Now to get something to read again you often have to say, “On this item has anything been suppressed? On this item has anything been invalidated?” Voom, voom. If you get a read on either suppressed or invalidated, the item is valid. You don’t have to go back and ask the item itself because invalidated transfers the read from the item to invalidated. You can be.... If you ask it again you would now get a read on what the item was. But the read transfers." This is probably the most definitive reference that could be used to substantiate the practice of not rechecking questions when a button reads. LRH does say here that "you don't have to go back and ask the item itself." What do you have to say about that?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Class IV Auditor</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:45:11 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>NED dropout</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4615</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I studied NED auditing at a mission, and I lost interest after a staff member told me that there was nobody to co-audit with because people who studied the NED course "just wanted free auditing". I knew then that it would be difficult, if not impossiblr, to train and co-audit. Sort of like "Mission Impossable" but with the script already written, and not in my favor. So I dropped out of the church. At least I know now that somebody is working to restore the tech (actually, a lot of people) and there might just be a light at the end of the tunnel.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ed Rhett</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 00:44:37 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Has Anything Been Suppressed?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4609</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Official White House Response to EXAMINE THE GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE. Why We Can't Comment on this Petition about the Church of Scientology Thank you for signing the petition "EXAMINE THE GOVERNMENT'S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE." We appreciate your participation in the We the People platform on WhiteHouse.gov. The We the People Terms of Participation explain that "the White House may decline to address certain procurement, law enforcement, adjudicatory, or similar matters properly within the jurisdiction of federal departments or agencies, federal courts, or state and local government." The Department of Justice is charged with investigating federal crimes and enforcing federal criminal laws. Accordingly, the White House declines to comment on the specific law enforcement matter raised in this petition. HAS/IS ANYTHING BEEN/BEING SUPPRESSED?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>top of the vale</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:01:23 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Has anything been suppressed?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4602</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Jim, Just found this belatedly. Awesome and thank you for doing all of this digging and exposing the 'SHERMAN TANK'. You are also keeping HCOPL VIEWPOINT completely IN. This is highly appreciated and will help to shorten OUR Indie auditing time when applied properly. Greta]]></description>
			<dc:creator>ZEPHYR</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 02:13:43 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: Has Anything Been Suppressed?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4601</link>
			<description><![CDATA[WN, HCOB 28 Feb 71, CS Series 24, METERING READING ITEMS comes to mind. As well, 5 Aug 78, INSTANT READS, "that reaction of the needle which occurs at the precise end of any major thought voiced by the auditor." (The same as EM DRILL 19). And of course, the one you mention on "compartmenting" from HCOB 25 May 62, EMETER, INSTANT READS.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jim Logan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 23:01:43 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Has Anything Been Suppressed?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4599</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Jim - An interesting question comes up. I am not going to put you on the spot but rather ask if you have any reference to clarify the following any further: I am still taking up a "compartmented read" on the question if it is instant on the wording of the original question and occurs before the button. Example: On the question, 'Do Fish Swim?'(FALL) has anything been suppressed? (no read) Please comment and/or correct if you wish. Thanks.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Watchful Navigator</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:53:52 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Has Anything Been Suppressed?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4594</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Spot on Jim. This makes perfect sense. You know that I just realized that my effort to understand buttons was hanging up on this very point, making their use on me as a pc all these years, a bit hypnotic. The buttons as used were not making logical sense - they just "worked in mysterious ways" to achieve a read (often a false one, apparently!) There is no hidden data line or unreality on this for me now. But even more important is its use for me as an auditor. Auditors take note - the dating drill EM-22 and use of buttons there needs to take all this into account - this is where the alter-is took root for me, and seems like a likely place to clean up the false data and observe its correct use. One can practice here, the two-way comm skills for getting charge off the button read and going back in for the item read. What a valuable article in the movement to get Scientology working better for us. I am putting this know-how to work right away.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Watchful Navigator</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 09:44:36 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>So this explains some things !!!</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4586</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Jim, thank you so much. You deserve a commendation for this. Maybe a Kha Khan. We need lots more LRH refs here on these types of sits. Maybe even some of the more uptoned OSA snoops will cog. It helps, in part, explain why I've observed so many oddball dramatizations regarding "ethics" and "tech" through the years. Several years ago at Flag I personally obsereved a conversaation that stuck my attention. In fact this was about 1 year after LRH dropped his body. Two guys were talking, and a brief statement about girls came up. The one guy said he had a nice date a few months earlier with a nice girl. He was uptoned about it, and said nothing more than that statement. The second guy, I think from Europe, responded instantly with - " Oh, you need to be sec checked". The first guy looked confused and asked why a sec check, for just a date. The second guy replied that - "Oh, you know... she could have been married, and didn't tell you..." The first guy said not the case, but even if it was, then it's not his sec check to get, but hers. The second guy kept on with how a sec check was "needed" for him. Even though neither of these 2 guys were sea org members, so no strict rules would apply to them, especially for a simple date. I got annoyed just hearing this squirrel view, as was the first fellow, and butted in. I asked this idiot European if he was auditor trained, and where he got the false idea that a sec check is needed after a simple date. I reminded him that the first fellow was not being 1.1 or nattery or critical, and a simple date is a pro survival action, not something sinister. It ended up he was not trained, but came to Flag for the CCRD, and was put on a sec check himself. I thought - ok it's just one of these clowns that pushes his case off onto someone else. A few years later my spouse and I went to Flag again. This time we were talking to a fellow who was on staff, but had routed off recently. My spouse made one of the most obscure mild mannered jokes you could imagine (not even about scientology or him) and the person snapped - "You need to be sec checked !!! " I was startled but figured again it's just one of these guys that pushes his case off onto others. But recently I've heard where one fellow was on grades and doing great. Then went onto NED and did great. And originated clear. He went right to Flag for CCRD. But was told he had to do - Sec checks !!! He could not believe it. It made no sense at all. He had already recently done grade 2 expanded (O/W's). He already done NED on all flows (which includes - doing things to others - OW's). So why the hell would he be programed to get more unecessary ow's pulled that he ALREADY got off in recent auditing ??? At the "Mecca of standard tech" ??? This actually ran a stop on his auditing, and to our knowledge he didn't even do his CCRD. There are lots more to our observations, but this would turn into a novel. There is a trickle down effect here. Out Tech at the highest levels, which is then mimicked by the smaller lower toned beings who are out of valence, and can't make independant observations or decisions themselves. Just followers. Right out of KSW 1 . What a nightmare. We sincerely hope it ends soon.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 11:11:39 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: Has Anything Been Suppressed?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4584</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Wow, there's an idiocy I hadn't thought of: Sec Checking a Recent Study check. Why not just FN a 53 on course? Or assess the Int Buttons? How about doing a full blown FPRD form? And all based on what? Any piece of tech equals any piece of tech and so we've got Method 6 Assessing of "Have you enccountered any word you didn't fully understand?" and then HCO Style Sec Checking of the guy for encountering them and it wasn't a valid read in the first place gotten by some guy who has the TRs of an old raccoon. How can we obfuscate the workable, let me count the ways and add this one to the list.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jim Logan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 16:32:41 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Has Anything Been Suppressed?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4583</link>
			<description><![CDATA[This reminds me of the "courseroom meter checks" being done at Flag, with relentless hammering of buttons. If the Sup or W/Cer didn't get a read on asking the question, "In your recent study..." then in would go the buttons. If none of the variations read, then he/she would vary the question. I recall being hammered with question variation after question variation, with buttons being put in on all of them, until eventually something read (probably protest). Then being sent to make a list of words from the same bulletins I'd studied and been word cleared on a hundred times. I asked the word clearer one day how this fit in with the HCOB on handling a read, and how did she know what the question had read on? My origination wasn't handled; I was just robotically sent to make a list of words etc. etc. I think I ended up on a big "misunderstood of nothing" as a result of my time at Flag. Students as well as pcs can be totally chopped up with the misapplication of this tech.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Polymath</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 07:33:28 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Has Anything Been Suppressed?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4582</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Jim, for this excellent research and clarification. It's a breath of fresh air. When I first got into Scn, many years ago, it puzzled me why Ron had so much to say about duplication. But I get it now!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>poet13c</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 21:07:37 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: Has Anything Been Suppressed?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4579</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Expelled, There is an LRH reference from 11 April 1982 in the HCOB SEC CHECKING IMPLANTS, under the section entitled NEEDLE BEHAVIOR on FNs and Confessional questions. "For one thing, if you cannot get an area of track (or list) to F/N, there is something wrong. (One can, of course, have a false read or a suppress or an assert or out-session ruds to prevent an F/N.)"]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jim Logan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:02:14 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Has Anything Been Suppressed?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4578</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Yes but the use is different. In one case the original read transfers to the button; in the other case you're trying to get a question to read through the use of the buttons. Related question: Is there an LRH reference for getting all confessional questions to F/N?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Expelled 4 Life</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 03:53:18 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: Has Anything Been Suppressed?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4577</link>
			<description><![CDATA["Buttons" are used in both the circumstances you mention.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jim Logan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:06:07 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Has Anything Been Suppressed?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4576</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Aren't you mixing up to different tech points? One situation is when you have a read but the PC doesn't have an answer, etc. In that case you use buttons to get the duplicate read, etc. The other situation is where a confessional question is not reading or not F/Ning.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Expelled 4 Life</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:06:28 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Has Anything Been Suppressed?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4573</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Extremely well done, Jim. Of course, to add insult to injury on the entire cycle of confessionals was the change from the original issue, "every reading question is taken to an F/N." This mor[censored]ed into, "every question is taken to an F/N." This leads the novice auditor (and the cult devotee) into believing that if there is no F/N then there is a withold and they are rigorously drilled to FIND the withold using their new technique of the endless button barrage. Les]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Les Warren</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:44:13 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Excellent research. Very helpful.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Trey Lotz</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:30:33 -0600</pubDate>
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			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4570</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thanks Jim for the superb clarification on this area. It has really brought home how duplication of the materials and duplication of the comm cycle go hand in hand in session.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 23:52:51 -0600</pubDate>
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			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4569</link>
			<description><![CDATA[OT8gal, you are so right. "If you get a wrong item on somebody they will now have that item .it persists; e.g. you run "sore toe" on somebody who doesn't have one, they'll end up with a sore toe! If you now try to handle sore toe with auditing it will worsen. Because it was a wrong item in the first place. You have to repair the wrong item." The harder one ties to solve it the more lies are added. Whenever someone has one of these "unsolvable" problems, that has received lots of handling and has only gotten worse, then it has turned out often to be a good idea to check, if it was false in the first place. Only truth brings about as-is-ness.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Worsel</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 00:23:29 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[OT8gal, What led me to look into this out-tech was the reports of those like you, on VII and VIII, getting these gruelling HCO Style Sec Checks. Aside from this point of mis-use of the buttons on questions, to do exactly as you have described, introvert a being into non-existent this that and the other thing, the omission of the correct methods of handling charge on pre-OTs from OT III up ends up with beings chasing down not only NOT charged questions, but then adding in the confusions that stem from NOT handling them with OT III and above techniques. Put in an arbitrary "three swing F/N" on uncharged or wrongly assigned questions, that aren't actually reading on the question in the first place and... Well, it's no wonder that those undergoing this extremely reversed Scientology end up either solidly in some valence that is needed to just "get by" or any of the non-optimum manifestations we are witnessing. Scientology auditing, OT auditing,is NOT like this when it's done right. It is a validation of the ability, a recognition of source and a return to a higher state of being. That you were able to spot and blow some of the out-tech you experienced off, makes the whole cycle of finding and making this known worth every bit.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jim Logan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:23:32 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Thanks a lot, Jim. Always felt strange when I listened to the LRH-demos but never realized that it was that difference in the handling of the buttons and questions. LRH did not follow up a different question than he had asked!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Worsel</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 01:04:12 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Jim: When I first read your 3 swing writeup last year, I blew charge. Having originally trained to class iv in the early 80s, the GAT training to get onto my OT levels left me absolutely stultified. I could not understand why I suddenly was having such a hard time "duplicating" the procedures. Everything I was being trained on butted up against the fluid understandings I'd had from the earlier LRH checksheets. Reading this writeup brought up all those questions that arose during the GAT training -- and the recognition that I had two choices: abandon the nagging inconsistencies and just go along with the robotic "easy" way to audit or reach a standstill. With the altitude of supervisors and all of Flag standing behind this new "correct" way to audit, I chose the former. Fast forward --- many many many thousands of dollars and hundreds of sec check hours later --- with the most grueling being the OT8 confessional -- with no further interest in auditing -- I found this article. Long before finishing the article, I "got" the magnitude of the squirreldom I'd allowed. It explained a [censored]enomenon I've been experiencing. I sat back from my computer for a moment. Anchor points long since pointed in dissipated. I never wanted to admit it ... but the inculcation of looking for overts when there WAS NOTHING FUCKING THERE (excuse me) created a stuck flow of ... well ... LOOKING IN! IMO, this alteration creates beings who are easily suggestible and introverted. As long as they stay in that group they are tractable. When they come out (like me and others who finished 7 and 8) they don't want anything more to do with the auditing (my experience). Thanks Jim. That was very very helpful.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>OT8gal</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 00:55:04 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[This is one of the big reasons why I refused to do a Class VI Interneship (retread) after I did the SHSBC Certainty Course. I didn't want to be caught on video misapplying the button tech, but I didn't want video evidence I wasn't "following the Golden Age of Tripe". Damned if I do, damned if I don't. So I just split.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>plainoldthetan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 16:54:41 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Thanks for that write-up, Jim. It sure clarifies a lot.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Formost</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 15:45:45 -0600</pubDate>
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			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4563</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Jim here we say MAMMA MIA!!!!!! What you wrote MAKES TOTAL SENSE and is a real analysis of buttons and there use with an understanding of what is actually happening in session and with the pc mind!!! Sorry but I think we, and I put myself in first row , to act ROBOTICALLY without really inspecting and challenging something that does not make total sense. Of course Class of Auditor has a strong bearing on it, but those ARE BASICS and in my 30 plus years in SCN those things have been applied the other way 'round. Thanks for giving the subject the integrity it deserves. Claudio]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Claudio Lugli</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 14:33:12 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I whole-heartedly agree with what Lana said. I am not even auditor trained but this was clearly stated and immediately duplicable. I do not think it is an exaggeration to say that if the tech survives (and is restored, for that matter!) it will be due in no small part to what you have done and continue to do, Jim. I believe you exemplify the spirit and true intent of KSW 1. Thank you.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>PersonalJudas</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 05:18:56 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I have witnessed the hundreds of hours you have spent painstakingly researching the subject of buttons, working to get to the bottom of a situation and get to the truth. I have watched as you meticulously worked it over till everything finally made sense and the strong was pulled on contradictory issues. It was not done to prove anyone wrong, or make yourself right. It was done because you have such an intimate knowledge and understanding of the technologies of Scientology (ever-growing by the day) and have a huge heart and want to see that people get the gains they should be getting from the application of standard Scientology technology. Thank you Jim. This, plus the other alterations you are finding, will prevent us from losing Scientology under Radical Corp Scientology, and enable people to move up the Bridge into the future.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Lana Mitchell</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:30:08 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[This is well beyond my level of training, I never really completed NED. But it seems the church somehow forgot how to check for "suppressed", and that created a blind spot that allowed David Miscavage to suppressively take over the church. Or did I miss something?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ed Rhett</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:41:13 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Has Anything Been Suppressed?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/has-anything-been-suppressed.html#comment-4559</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Wow! Great research, Jim, and good detective work! Thank you very much.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Michael Priv</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:01:38 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Thanks Jim for y our research. Very complete. You are the Master of Qual! Thank you again. ML Tom]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Tom M</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 09:41:56 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[holy hopping bat farts! I've been doing it all wrong! Gracias Jim.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Robin Rhyne</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 06:50:41 -0600</pubDate>
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