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			<title>RE: RE: RE: RE: Really</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/try-this-tonight.html#comment-4790</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Now this is true, but how many scientologists (whether in or out) actually acts according to that? Policy, and KSW especially, is so often used to make others wrong! By my own observation the Rons Org people are not only the most upstat group, but the standard of their behaviour is usually very high too -- they're not as polarized as other scientologists. Yet they are slaughtered on Marty's blog just because of KSW!!! And I'm not writing this to promote my favourite group, but only to make a point. I'm not a scientologist any more and I see they have their limits too. I think you are a genuinely nice guy and I like your comm high on ARC even if you disagree; but here I got it by your colleagues. They seem to think of my motives as something else then they really are, and what leads them to their incorrect assumptions? I don't know, an effort to protect their precious policy, which is allegedly not so important according to the Admin scale? But whatever, I think I've made my point and who wants to see it, will do. I wish you much success, Steve.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Vítek Profant</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 03:39:23 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: RE: Really</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Check out the Admin Scale. Purpose is senior to policy. Anyone with an destructive purpose will slant any kind of policy to evil designs. Policy is not perfect, never was, but the real problem is not policy, it is purpose. The hardest thing for beings to confront is evil.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Thoughtful</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:41:11 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: Really</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[First, sorry for stating just "KSW", I meant mainly "KSW#1". "KSW#2" is a very different story and it's one of my few beloved policies even to this day. BTW, zhank you for your gentle make-wrong. :D Through many years after I left Co$ I held a very similar view on KSW#1 to yours. But not any more. Despite the fact that in the (Europian) freezone I got almost uniformly great auditing. I know there is a couple of good points in KSW#1 - but they could have been written just like that. But that reference as a whole... It would take a long time to analyze what's wrong with that and besides, many others already did (and I'm not talking about those for whom anything slightly connected to Scientology is just a pile of crap. A good starting point I came across today could be here: [censored]://isene.wordpress.com/20 12/03/01/catching-up/#comments I won't be hurt if you don't publish this comment, but I ask you for an honest look into this.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Vítek Profant</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 06:39:27 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Try this tonight</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Wonderful article. "OM: Operating Meat" is so accurate an observation. I'm going to start using that? Thanks for the whole article. Really good.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Cindy Pinsonnault</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:44:25 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Try this tonight</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Steve, this is a wonderful and OT post! Dealing extensively and in depth with all these negative aspects, you then make an effort to deal with and show the positive, the hopeful and the "lets remember how it should be". The result is great balance in the direction of THETA. Like a surgeon who goes into patient with his scalpel, seeing only tumors and how to get them out, yet when done, does not neglect to bandage, cover, soothe, SMILE, and whisper to the patient: "you'll be fine!".Great. About: "Personally I can't think of anything valuable enough to sell one's soul for." We have all been selling our souls at some point, until we cognited and stopped. And we had enough evidence to quit long before we did. You and Marty and Jeff and Debbie, and many others saw all the abuses, and kept going... this [censored]enomena haunted me as I discovered the Indies. and I still do not have full explanation for it. I even wrote you a mail long ago asking this question (and many others, may be too many, I was new then. Btw u did not reply..)in a genuine attempt to understand it. But as I read this post and your "can't think of anything valuable enough to sell one's soul for." - I realized that the ultimate trick which can cause or even force a being to sell his soul is ...the LIE (supported by false MEST data)that he is about to SAVE his soul from eternal loss. Therefore anything he HAS to do, however bad, stupid, illogical, cannot be "selling his soul" because he has just been "saving it". It is the fear of losing our souls waved at us with us believing it, which is just about the most formidable weapon with which to trick and enslave souls. Yes, it seems a valid cog. Thanks again for the post I really enjoyed it and was touched by it. Ben]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:27:16 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Nightmares</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Interesting how you mention nightmares about being at Int Base. I was never at Int but I was in the SO and pretty much the only bad dream or nightmare I have when I have one is I am back in the SO and wanting to leave but can't. It is the ultimate Problem, being stuck or trapped. I very very rarely have "normal" nightmares where I'm in some violent situation, a fight or being chased or something. My nightmare is the SO. Probably because I felt so trapped.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Obnosis</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 00:53:52 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: RE: Try this tonight</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/try-this-tonight.html#comment-4656</link>
			<description><![CDATA[1 Worsel! To answer Misha's question. Policies don't expire. They have to be specifically canceled. This is covered in HCOPLs Policy, Source of and Issues,Types of. That said. One has to be able to think with policy and not just robotically "apply" it. Also. Policy is senior to orders as you can see on the Admin Scale according to the HCOPLs Orders Illegal and Cross, Orders Query of. One who complies with illegal and destructive orders is just as culpable even more so than the one issuing the illegal or destructive order. Personally, I think we should move beyond blaming Dave or Management or some possible conspiracy. Because all this does is give the one or ones being blamed more power. (Look up the word "blame" in the Tech Dictionary) Additionally I think we should stop continuing to perpetuate this myth that Miscavige is the "leader" of Scientology. Since lies beget persistence. He has no right to call himself any sort of "leader". He doesn't even have a post on the Org Board. There is no so leader! If you don't believe me. Read HCOPL LRH Relationship to Orgs. Another thing that I didn't mention earlier is that the FO the Sea Org and the Future which is of questionable provenance made Pat and his late wife Annie Broeker "Loyal Officers" and Ron according to this FO then became "Admiral". Thoughtful Steve I still have copies of that FO and the one canceling it. The latter a fascinating study in how the criminal mind works since almost every crime he claims that Pat perpetrated or was about to he has perpetrated himself. If you like I can upload copies of these issues to you. Let me know.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Brian Radio FKA RJ</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:51:46 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[It is amazing how freezing weather clears the mind. I can think much more clearly here compared to the fish tank in CMU. Anyway, the issues that expire in one year are Executive Directives such as SOEDs, including LRH EDs. And, as we say here, "There is no such thing as bad policy, only evil purposes."]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Dan Koon</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 00:59:00 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: Try this tonight</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Wow, great post Worsel!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Thoughtful</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 00:01:14 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: True</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Misha, Dan would remember better than I which issue types were intended to expire after a certain length of time. These were not Policy Letters in the main, but other issue types. There were very many. In some cases, DM turned certain issues into Policy Letters, etc. The main thing is since DM has always been forwarding his own evil purpose for Scientology, he has continually been pushing it off course while pretending to "push LRH." Perhaps Dan will chime in if he's not too c-c-c-c-cold in Sweden. However, as they say in that country, there is no such thing as bad weather. Only bad clothes.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Thoughtful</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:59:01 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Try this tonight</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Even half of the definition of "Suppression" is suppressed. When dealing with effects of suppression in former staff or publics the understanding of the second way to suppress is helpful. Very much so! "Any of the dynamics may be suppressed in two ways. The first is the suppression which says “No!” A person who has been told since he was a child that he was worth nothing, that he was no good and that he would never be able to do anything is likely to have little or no First Dynamic. The First Dynamic changes polarity and starts pointing toward death. This person is capable of committing suicide, unless he is very strong on the Third Dynamic and can live for the group. He may, however, needlessly sacrifice his life for the group. This represents a suppression of the dynamic—the survival urge of the First Dynamic is not sublimated over into the Third; the Third is only more visible because the First has been suppressed toward death. The second way of suppressing a dynamic is by enforcement: “You’ve got to be a good girl! You have to amount to something! We expect you to be a credit to your family!” After a few years of such commanding the girl who has been forced to be a great credit to her family is unable to do anything. She has been interfered with. Mama has entered her own dynamics into the dynamics of the child, with the resultant blunting of the child’s dynamics. If any dynamic is inhibited, it enturbulates, and if it is enforced, it enturbulates. Either way, it is pushed toward death. The principle of self-determinism, to be workable, dictates that a dynamic should neither be suppressed nor too thoroughly enforced. On a spectrum from shut off completely to center to maximum enforcement, self-determinism would be found at the center. The individual who is surviving best is exercising all possible rational selfdeterminism in an environment which allows a maximum of self-determinism." (SUPPLEMENT NO. 1 to SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, September, 1951, All possible Aberrations, Tech Vol 1, p. 220ff)]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Worsel</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:57:47 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: 100% on the money</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/try-this-tonight.html#comment-4651</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Actually the way to handle policies that are no longer relevant is covered in HCOPL Technical and Policy Distribution. Funny how people who complain the most about policy are the ones least likely to have read and understood it.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Brian Radio FKA RJ</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:32:14 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: True</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Thanks Steve, thanks Dan. You know this is totally fascinating. You may think that this data is known and understood in the independent field or to Scientologists in general but I don't think so. I knew the datum that purposes are senior to policy, of course, but never realized that that is how any leader could subvert policy and actually did. I never heard the datum that HCOPLs expire and especially that CBOs and FOs expire. This is a whole new area of crashing MUs or misunderstanding of some sort. How was it supposed to work? They expire and then? This really merits some research. Could this be expanded and made into an article or a blog post so that people could discuss it in a forum setting? It is really important.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Michael Priv</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:03:02 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>100% on the money</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/try-this-tonight.html#comment-4648</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Steve, this is the perfect argument for anyone blaming policy for any damn thing wrong with anything anywhere. When one's goals and purposes are straightened out application of policy falls into line and bad policies are simply ignored in the activities of day to day operation and then cancelled or revised when one gets around to it. The FPRD was an effort to help people sort out their purposes. Of course, one particular person never received any FPRD and we know what happened. I wish this comment of yours could be put into a suppository and shoved up the butts of every Scn and LRH critic. It would also be a nice antidote for Kool Aid poisoning.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Dan Koon</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:45:11 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>True</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Perhaps some people feel so betrayed they blame LRH for passing the hat to DM. Of course LRH didn't pass the hat to DM, he passed it to Anne Broker (whom Karen just discovered tragically died last Summer, a fact that was covered up by the Church for the last 6 months). I think any sane person would have to agree 100% with what you wrote — I do, certainly. But Vitek seems to be missing the point that above Policy is Purpose. For those who may have forgotten this point, relative importance of subjects relating to organizations is as follows (LRH's Admin Scale): GOALS PURPOSES POLICY PLANS PROGRAMS PROJECTS ORDERS IDEAL SCENES STATS VALUABLE FINAL PRODUCTS Goals and purposes are senior to policy and that means it's always going to be possible for an SP to subvert any organization's policy and warp it to his own purposes. I do get a little annoyed by people who constantly harp on policy (and thus LRH) as being the total culprit to the plight of the Church of Scientology. Sure, some of LRH's policies were destructive and should have been cancelled long ago. We all know that. We all have acknowledged that long ago and multiple times. But blaming policy doesn't open the door to any handling. What does open the door to a handling is exposing anyone who would drive the Church of Scientology off purpose. In short, fighting back. Plenty of policy is no longer correct for the times we live in. Civilization has progressed in many respects. But these are really minor issues which a sane leader could handle easily with revisions or cancellations. I think some people also make the mistake of assuming David Miscavige has not cancelled or revised any of LRH's policy — because DM constantly professes the opposite. The truth is that guy has buried more good policy than you can shake a stick at, and he has altered policy like crazy. What he claims to be doing is a lie. An example is the CBO in which LRH expressly forbid "international events." Hardly anyone knows those LRH orders once existed and were in force. Int events are DM's sole medium for pushing his propaganda and making himself known among Scientologists. Without Int events, Scientologists would not even know who he is — which is how LRH intended management to be. No single personality was ever intended to be the "leader" of the Church. This is all fully documented in www.savescientology.com. Can you imagine how different the landscape would be if since 1986 there had never been a single "international" events for DM to extend his influence? Another point: many of the "policy" DM pushes comes from issue types that even LRH said automatically expired in a year. Much of the "Sea Org" policy is just that. It actually expired in 1969 but it is still being pushed in violation of LRH's own orders. It's bullshit and it's not something anyone ever hears about in DM's "church." Anyway, thanks for your comment Misha. Once we get rid of the tyrant someone with integrity needs to sort out the good from the no-longer relevant or destructive. The monotone or blanket assignment of validity to everything LRH ever wrote is itself off purpose.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Thoughtful</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:56:33 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Try This Tonight</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the article, Steve! I did not fully get Vitek's comment but I think it has to do with admitting that LRH was wrong on some counts. I think in order to get to the point of Scientology orgs becoming a harmonious part of the landscape as opposed to being embattled abominations at some point LRH's mistakes would have to be acknowledged (and he did make some, including the creation of the Sea Org, putting Command intention above all pasving the way for a lunatic at the helm to derail the entire Scientology, and the invention and use of heavy ethics). Relative importances would have to be established between his mistakes and his creation of the Tech.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Michael Priv</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 00:04:04 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Try this tonight</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Steve, Great article, you did it again! I took your advice earlier on, and run all my out-integrity points with the Church, and it worked, just as you said. On your 2nd suggestion of mocking up the ideal scene for this [censored]iloso[censored]y I've been doing it all of my life, that's why I never quite bought this cult's crap. As for Vitek Profant comments, at some point he will have to realize that words ARE NOT objects. [censored]ilos[censored]y is about conceptual understanding and there are no substittutes for that. Much Love]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Konan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 10:42:41 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Damned Good Essay !</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Steve, dead on. The Church of Miscavology acts as a Gestapo Police State against $ea Org members, and is raising the ante on the way it treats its own public, Adversarial auditing is now the norm, demanding CRIMES incessantly while the Public PAY for this kind of "sec checking" Auditor PLUS bank opposes the PC ! A Scientologist might not like to hear about how David Miscavige beats people, treats staff like dogs, lives like a Saudi King while running the whole sale plundering of $$$$$ from the Public, and these very same Scientologists name call whistle blowers as "attackers" "SPs" "apostates" "generators of Black PR. Enemy lines" Propaganda by use of Labels. Back channels Emails is highest ever. The general public more and more want to connect with us Proud SPs]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Karen#1</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 21:18:28 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: RE: Really</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Roger that Steve! If Profant wants get rid of KSW and other such policies he doesn't happen to like than I suggest he go back to the Church and sign up for course. Seems they've already done the hard work for him :) But seriously Thoughtful Steve. Personally I've always viewed Miscavige as the lowest common denominator of the group bank. For instance I remember back in the days when ARS was trashing Scientology and some of "public" (typically the whiners who lacked actual Scientology training of any kind but who happened to be Patrons with their heads up their anuses) asked management to protect them from the natterers on ARS. Well OSA with the help of Helen Kobrin "helped" by making ARS the most popular usenet group on the web! Talk about a reversal of fortune! Anyway I figure this attack on Debbie was initiated by a group of.... er... "Scientologists" who can't handle the truth and it'll probably end the same way. Right now, according to some reliable intel I have, the "razzline" ( similar to iTheta which we used to call idiot theta) is directing people to the antimarty sites. A typical Glutz PR move which will eventually direct real Scientologists who can actually confront the truth to his blog and probably your site as well. In other words we can expect as usual from OSA's "handling" of this scene a major fail and a foot bullet of epic proportions.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Brian Radio FKA RJ</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:14:31 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Really</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[What you are referring to Vitek is the suppressive implementation of policy. The problem is not really the policy itself. KSW basically says, "Don't fix it if it ain't broken." "Auditors" in the Freezone are butchering pcs because of squirrel alterations of tech. There's nothing really wrong with KSW. The problem is in people who lack personal integrity being robots to a suppressive person/group who themselves are cross ordering the nature of the [censored]iloso[censored]y. Policy is not perfect. Show me some that is. Nothing is perfect in this world. But in decent hands, the policy is decent. Just like any "tech" in the hands of a decent person.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Thoughtful</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:35:59 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Really</title>
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			<description><![CDATA["consider what the CoS would have been like if it had embraced the positive concepts of Scientology instead of being a bank-dominated mob. I.e., ARC, 8 dynamics, auditing, the Bridge, etc. In other words, what if the organization had been like you originally thought it should have been when you first started to learn about Scientology?" That means trashing the LRH stuff contradicting what you've just listed, like most of the policies, including KSW. I'd really love to see Marty or IFA do exactly that, but that's not going to happen, is it?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Vítek Profant</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 05:41:21 -0600</pubDate>
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