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		<title>Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5419</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Samia, WOW! I am so glad to hear from you. I love you to pieces!!! Do you remember Bobby Stanley? He remembers you and asked me to say hello. He is thrilled that you contacted me. Can't tell you how excited Iam to hear from you Love, Carol]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Carol Nyburg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2013 16:31:43 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5418</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi there Carol , I was at flag in the years of 1991-1994 and lived there on base I was working for the person who was occupying the presidential suite at the time and you were an absolute delight to everyone around and extremely helpful to us we were considered VIP and I still have a picture of you and your kids I am so sorry for what you endured I always thought that staff there were bad treated and felt sorry for their children take care and god bless !]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Samia Tawk</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:05:12 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5397</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hello to you. Thank you so much for sending me your great message. I would love to converse with you. You can send me a message on FB which is private. I so understand being "in the closet". I was for quite a while till I could not stand it any longer. Love, Carol]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Carol Nyburg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:49:11 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5396</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Carol, wonderful to hear you are doing well. We missed you. I always wondered where all the staff went when they disappeared. We were told, "they went uplines". This has been a revelation to me. I never knew there was any option besides the COS. I had given up on going back to Flag, as I knew I could not get through a sec check since I was convinced that Miscavidge was bad news for all of us. Thank you all for sharing these stories. No need to repeat what's been said all over. I'm still in the closet as I don't know how my kids would take it. Recently got divorced and my ex-wife still believes in Santa Claus. I'd like to set her free also, so I have to plan how I do this next step. Stay happy.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>ex-public</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:05:01 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5381</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Oh my god David! I just saw this response. You have no idea how this just made my day and how it will for a dear mutual friend of ours Don Cramer!!!! He's out too. We've talked about trying to reach you so many times! please email me at [censored]iladel[censored]iagayle@yahoo.com I can't WAIT to talk to you David. My my my my my. Wonderful David on the return to your love of music.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>gayle aka TroubleShooter</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 06:34:08 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hi, thanks for writing. I am sure you will succeed. One does when they disconnect from suppression as you and I have done. My best wishes to you! Love, Carol]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Carol Nyburg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jun 2013 22:52:13 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5377</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hello, I just found your blog. I am not American (sorry for my english) but I also used to be a SO member for 1,5 years. I just left 2 month ago. Life is not so easy when you don't have anyone who can help outside but I hope I can do it as well as you did. Best Regards, An ex SO member]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ex SO</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 19:21:47 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Cameras everywhere you say ???</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5372</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Now that you're out I suggest you read George Orwell's 1984. Yes, cameras everywhere !!! Cameras with AUDIO pickup. And no, it's not to ensure you are "talking properly to customers". It's to MONITOR and CONTROLL you.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>madonna</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 11:04:31 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5369</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi! Of course I remember you and your brother. I would love to connect with you on Face Book. Please look me up. You both were always so much fun.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>carol Nyburg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 27 Apr 2013 13:14:47 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Great story Carol.</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5368</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I am so glad to see you are out. You were such a positive force while I was in the SO and while growing up at the FH. I was the FH Cashier before I had enough and blew. Flourish and Prosper! Jose[censored]]]></description>
			<dc:creator>joseph stanley</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 27 Apr 2013 12:59:54 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[What a compelling story. It is great to finally be back in touch. Vicki sends her best. Love, as always, Vic Krohn]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Vic Krohn</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Apr 2013 06:01:15 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5350</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I was reading this blog and I saw the message from Gayle Smith. Gayle, I read your comments with great interest. It's always interesting to hear from people from one's past. I knew you had woken up and were out...in fact I once tried to email you but the address was wrong. I remember how you helped me through a rough time i was having about 10 years ago when you were on post at [censored]illy org. We sat in the qual library and I itsa'd for at least an hour (on several occasions). I hope all is well with you...I assume it is. Since I'm of lines I am keeping my money and I bought a re-built 1914 Steinway baby grand and I'm re-learning to play after 35 years being on course and running my bakery. ARC, David]]></description>
			<dc:creator>david braverman</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:12:09 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5349</link>
			<description><![CDATA[It's a damn shame when it's easier to be a street whore and ditch a pimp, than it is to get out of the slavery at the Church of Scientology. It's a damn shame when a street whore has more freedom and benefits than a Sea Org member. My new name for David Miscavige is "Iceberg Grimm". He really is the world's most famous and successful pimp.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>The Oracle</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 02:51:05 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5348</link>
			<description><![CDATA[It is interesting to me to see who it is that I met during my career who are out now. I don't believe in coincidences. I know how much we had in common on different levels as we produced our fair share of products toward our mutual goals. I'm finding that the awakenings of many of those who have left in these recent years and their reasons for leaving is a distillation of people to a finer group of people who more closely define the actual group of people I thought I'd been a part of. People I actually knew on my Scn timetrack who made impressions on me now out has made me pay a lot more attention to the impressions people make on me now and why that might be so. It's been a new lesson in paying attention to what is in front of me and not overlooking the importance of what I see, feel and perceive. Comm lines are treasures to care for and NOT take for granted. So your a gem Carol. I knew it when I met you and it's validating for me somehow to know you knew you had to separate yourself from the road you were on at FSO in order to maintain your integrity. We'll see you again Carol. g]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Gayle Smith</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:07:59 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5347</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Carol, I just read your story and it gave me hope for the other SO members still enduring the abuse. I think the majority of SO members are very well intended people and it must be like living in hell or purgatory, waiting for it all to get better somehow. Anyway, I am very glad you got out and wish you a very happy life. I pray/postulate for those still in that they too experience the same relief as you. ♥Angela]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 29 Mar 2013 08:12:36 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hello Gayle. That you so much for all you said. I do appreicate that very much. I will also be sure to pass your comments onto Eileen Clark. And, Of course I remember you! So great to be meeting back up with old friends that I thought I would never see or hear from again. Love to you, Carol]]></description>
			<dc:creator>carol Nyburg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:13:08 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>TroubleShooter</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hi Carol, It's good to see you moved away from what is a twisted version of the path we thought we were on in Scientology. I remember you oh so well as a very wonderful, cheerful and professional woman greeting me and everyone else upon our arrival to Flag. You and Eileen Clark were two of the most memorable good first impressions for me when I got to Flag. What set you apart was that you smiled and took care to help everyone with anything that came in to your zone of control. I'm so glad to know you're out. Gayle Smith to help you remember me, former OOT Snr C/S [censored]iladel[censored]ia Org mother of those cute twin boys]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Gayle Smith</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:42:04 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5342</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi to you. Thanks for your well wishes and the same back to you. I can honestly say I am happier than I have every been. Love, Carol]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Carol Nyburg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:33:03 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5341</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thanks so much for writing to me. I loved hearing what you have to say. Would be great if you send me a message on FB. I would love to know who you are. I know what it was like in 2008, I can only imagine what it must be like now. I hope you can be free soon and your family cognites soon. Love, Carol]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Carol Nyburg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:31:37 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>dreams</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5339</link>
			<description><![CDATA[That is so awesome Dan! I used to have pretty much just one nightmare and that would be being in the SO again and being hung up in doubt about it or wanting to leave and not being able to. I'm happy to say, I haven't had that dream in a while now.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Obnosis</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 02:53:38 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5338</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I remember Carol very well. I am very happy to know you are out and enjoying your freedom. Love to you and your family!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>M.A.R.I.E.L.L.A</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 01:24:43 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5337</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi Carol, I am so glad to know where you are and how you are. I have been thinking about you for years. Even though my last trip to Flag was my LAST - You were not there and I asked about you continually and received no answers - as usual. Yes, all the theta, wonderful Staff like you, from that era are gone or turned into Zombies - My last trip was so miserable I have not returned. The tech is out; the staff are mean and totally make wrong and I no longer feel LRH's presence there. Also, who can afford to continually pay for the endless Security Checks required. I remember the days I would go there to get cleaned up with them - Now they are no more than Gestapo-like Inquistions. I always left feeling worse than when I went - so I no longer go. I'm afraid to say my name as I still have family in this 'CULT" so just know you are so warming appreciated and loved by so many of us. One day I will have the nerve to come out. Best wishes for a free life.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Friends from the good ole days</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 23:25:30 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Actually...</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I thnk the tipping point has already been reached. Look at all the books published in the last 6-8 months : Janet Reitman's "inside scientology" jeff Hawkings's "counterfeit dreams", Marc headley's "blown for good", Jenna Miscavige's "beyond belief", Amyy scobee 's "abuse at the top, and i forget some. The clock is ticking, the dwarf should escape and hide well if he doesn't want to get it up his ass by Booba his future cellmate. That said, LRH designed the sea org, the rpf, the fair game policy, the "handle or disconnect", the tone scale where compassion is actually a bad thing. THings are worse now, but Miscavige made them WORSE. LRH made them bad... And congrats on your escape Carol. I'm still stunned even after having read hundreds of those stories...]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 19:28:42 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hello Jane Doe, I would love for you to contact me on FB so I know who you are. Yes those cookies were great. Of course, I never ate any!!! NOT!!! Here is the sequence: Nov, 2008, I am complete on my Routing Out Routing Form and return to California.I had been comm ev'd for blowing and was threatened with being declared at that time. I had actually reunited with Frank, my Ex-hubby while on my routing form because Security regged him to buy a set of Basics for me but I had to agree to pay him back. That was the first time we had been in comm since our divorce. Very strange indeed. I plan to see him when I left but was told NO NO NO because I could be declared. They didn't want me to see my daughter either. But I did have her come to see me for my first Christmas in years. Frank and I never got back together because he wanted to get back on lines and I knew I never wanted to return to Flag. It would never work. I only got declared a few months ago. I have no idea why. I had been quiet and hadn't done anything different than I had been doing. They just r-factored my daughter that I was declared, and she disconnected from me. Boom. I still to this day do not what prompted this. So here I am, I have reason to sit still and be quiet. I wanted to stand up and be counted. I would like to write a book. I have so much more to tell. I am making notes as I go along and will eventuallyput it all together. Thanks for writing and glad you liked the cookies! Love, Carol]]></description>
			<dc:creator>carol Nyburg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 13:53:18 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5334</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Carol, Welcome out! I remember you well. You were "the nice reg with chocolate chip cookies." You seemed real to me and not starey-eyed robotic like many of the "gung ho" staff were. But I also am confused on this one thing: if you routed out standardly, no SP declare. But now that you published your story, that would be an SP declare, and you sd later you were declared and don't know why? What is sad. Even the late great Hy Levy never got to read his declare. What about your kids and ex? Did they all disconnect from you? What about your husband that Flag made you divorce? did you locate him and can you get back with him? Your story is a cliff hanger worthy of your writing a book!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jane Doe</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 13:13:31 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Per Almquist</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[No idea.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>carol Nyburg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:37:42 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Per Almquist</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Thanks! Have you any idea what happened to Per Almquist, the nice reg?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 08:49:17 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Annette and Doug still there?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5331</link>
			<description><![CDATA[As far as I know, they are both stillat Flag in accommos. I had heard that Annette went on a shortened schedule for health reasons. Of course, I have no way of knowing now, for certain, who is in accommodations at this moment.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>carol Nyburg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 08:24:42 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: from david braverman</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5330</link>
			<description><![CDATA[HI Been There...wish I knew who you are but I understand. I have no family in Scientology so I guess I'm lucky. Yeah, the org in [censored]ila is staffed and attended by pretty much the same small but hardy group that has been there for decades. At least that was the case as of 3 0r 4 years ago which is the last time I was in the building. I was part of the ideal org fundraising back then. I contributed almost a hundred grand myself, sort of suspending my intuitive knowledge that spending millions to purchase and renovate a 13 story building on Chestnut street was not going to substantially change attendance and would bankrupt the org. The existing 2-story building was mostly empty. We did purchase the new building about 5 years ago for 8 million and it's still not occupied while the valiant remaining field continues to attempt to raise money...I still get the emails. I truly wish them luck..they're all old friends and wonderful people...it's just a shame. I guessing the building is not worth more than 4 or 5 million in today's market. If they ever do get it renovated and they move in I envision staff doing call-in from their running cars in January just to stay warm. So, my bakery is called Lebus and if you make it back to Drexel for a visit get in touch with me...we make lots more than just croissants! David]]></description>
			<dc:creator>david braverman</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 07:55:56 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Annette and Doug still there?</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5329</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Does anybody know: Are Annette and Doug still on post at FH accommodations?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 07:11:10 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: from david braverman</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5328</link>
			<description><![CDATA[David I was doing some studies at Drexel and stayed in a nice hotel just a block from the [censored]illy Org. I walked by the org several times a day and I never saw a single person IN the org (those big glass windows face right on to street level) and I never saw anyone go in and out. There was a little, pathetic card table opened out on the sidewalk with a few scraggly pam[censored]lets and fliers but it was so completely and utterly dead even in the very high traffic area. There are businesses, huge medical complexes, big tourist attractions all within a few blocks and nothing, no activity and no sign of even a staff member in the building. I wish I had known you had a bakery there. I would have bought some of your great croissants. I love [censored]illy. it is truly a great city. Sorry to be incognito but spouse and family still involved and I'm not going to lose my religion, my life's investment AND my family to this grasping organization.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Been There</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:30:28 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5327</link>
			<description><![CDATA[That's wonderful, Carol! I'm glad we are in the same place, now. :)]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Laura Ann</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:43:11 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: from david braverman</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5326</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi David. Of course, I remember you. So very glad to meet up with you again. That is amazing about Julia Child. That would be worth a trip there. And when I get there, you bet I will stop by. Looking forward to staying comm. Thanks for writing. Love, carol]]></description>
			<dc:creator>carol Nyburg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:33:28 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5325</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hello. I loved what you wrote and I sure would like to know who you are. I have an idea, but not sure. Thanks for writing. I hope you contact me on FB. Love, Carol]]></description>
			<dc:creator>carol Nyburg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:29:46 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>from david braverman</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5322</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi Carol, I came to see you several times during the winter of 2005 while I was at flag and I needed a few extra weeks and you were a pleasure to see...I think I remember cookies as well. Maybe you remember me...I own a bakery in [censored]iladel[censored]ia. In was recently declared...which was bewildering since I had always been a good member of the church. I was declared basically for disagreeing with the direction of the church and definitely with the suicidal idea of putting a massively expensive ideal org here in [censored]ila. Anyhow thanks for writing your story and good luck with everything. If you're ever around [censored]ila we make the best croissants this side of Paris (Julia Child said so...really!) David Braverman]]></description>
			<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:25:53 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5321</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hello to you both. I loved it when you would come to my office. I really missed you when you disappeared. Now I know where people were going. Glad to hear you are both doing well and happy. I am definitely enjoying life and living every day! Good full days. That story really freed me up. I had not realized how solid and cowed I was till I wrote it. My life fully turned around that day. It was like night and day. Love you both, Carol]]></description>
			<dc:creator>carol Nyburg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:01:19 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5320</link>
			<description><![CDATA[So good to hear from both of you. I remember trying to reach you back then and kept wondering what had happened to you. I missed you too. Now I know and I am happy for the both of you too. How wonderful to be able to connect back up with all my friends from an earlier time. Thank you. Love, Carol]]></description>
			<dc:creator>carol Nyburg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:26:13 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: freedom is a beautiful thing!!</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5319</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I am very much enjoying job and thankful for the training I have had as it as prepared me to confront life and work well (and get paid for it!)I am embracing life and just confronting whatever is there each day and really truly enjoying myself. So glad to be in comm with you!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>carol Nyburg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:23:29 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5318</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Carol, Mike and I are so glad you are out and reunited with at least some of your family. I remember you well. You were always a bright spot for Mike and I when we came to Flag. I knew things were not what they should be but, I never imagined it was so bad and it seems so much worst after my last time there in 2005. It is unbelievable how CRAZY it has become with David Miscavige at the helm. Thank you so much for sharing your story. I just know that it has and will help those who are still trapped by the lies. Truth is hard to swallow sometimes but, always the way. We love you, Carol! Laura and Mike Wilson]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Laura Ann</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:46:17 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Frank</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5315</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I did know Judy, though not closely. Thanks for the update and sorry to hear about her. Wonderful that you escaped!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>bazooka mouse</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 09:23:23 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>freedom is a beautiful thing!!</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5314</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Carol, I'm so happy you got out and are enjoying what life has still to offer ...for the nightmares, I still have them from time to time..but no worries, enjoy and be happy,we are better prepared for life than many people, so live life!! and look forward there is a lot to be happy for...]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Belen</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 09:21:09 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5313</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hey, thank you for sharing your story. I was only in for a few years. Thankfully my significant other and I blew together. Based on what I had read in similar accounts, I knew they'd try to tear us apart if either one of us tried to speak up or if we tried to route out separately. Reading your story reminds me of why I left in the first place and makes me thankful for my freedom.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous Ex-SO</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 09:06:31 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Speaking of dreams</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5312</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Yes, those dreams for me really vary. I keep being tried to be pulled into a reg cycle. I have to come and fix it.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>carol Nyburg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 08:21:04 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Frank</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5311</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hello! Unfortunately, he is living in CW and trying to get back onto Solo Nots. He is newly married to another person on OTVII. He son is still in SO at the SC. His daughter is out and living a fun life, but still onlines. Did you know Judy? She is OT VIII and now very ill and near death. Very sad tale there!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>carol Nyburg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 08:18:53 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Speaking of dreams</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5310</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Mat, I still have dreams but they have shifted over time, from being back at the Base and needing to blow again to DM berating me for something to me berating DM for something to me actually beating the crap out of DM to now DM being made to confess his crimes. Talk about case gain! My advice is keep dreaming!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Dan Koon</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 00:52:12 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5309</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hello Carol!!!! Glad to hear you made it out. I hope we can get together and talk at some point. I've been out for 8 years and still have the nightmares (daily)that you mention, as does my wife Amy. Amazing.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Mat Pesch</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:49:41 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5308</link>
			<description><![CDATA[The higher ups like DM act like aliens in V or a twilight zone episode. I still do not understand what use they have for their large piles of money, makes me wonder if they are the aliens from "Arrival" building some superweapon in the jungle. Someone figure this out please, people with this kind of drive for money and whose stated reasons for doing it are obviously made-up, are usually doing more with it than hoarding. Spooky stuff.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>J Michael</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:31:56 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Frank</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5307</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Frank Vedder was a great supe in the old SFO Day academy. What ever happened to him?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>bazooka mouse</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:37:40 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Well done, Carol!</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5306</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Richard! Thank you so much. So glad to hear from you. Love, Carol]]></description>
			<dc:creator>carol Nyburg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:02:34 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Pepsicat</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5305</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi, No I did not get declared at that time. I routed out standardly so I would not get declared. I got declared later and was never told why. I wrote a 2nd part and sent it to Steve Hall. I think he will publish it soon. Thank you for all your love! Carol]]></description>
			<dc:creator>carol Nyburg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:01:36 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5303</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Great story Carol. You are everything that a Sea Org member should be: caring, good sense of humor, full dynamics (esp. the first and second not just the third), dedicated but not fanatic, and able to think for yourself and not be a robot taking orders. Those were great years in the later 70's up to about 1986. I was a public only but the nature of my profession and my pioneer activities allowed me access to the QI, Hacienda and to Flag staff. I knew so many on such a familiar basis and loved and respected you all. And then the prison bars came down. Even up to 1996 I still had unlimited access to the staff and staff quarters, but then the fence and gates went up around the QI and the Hacienda, then no cars for staff and then no staff contact with "The Others" aka Flag public aka "external influences". I was forbidden to have any personal contact with Flag staff; business only as a student or PC and that was it. Interesting to hear you talk about this from the staff side. You can see Miscavige's insanity smeared all over the activites you describe such as "Boot Camp" and the horrendous "Basics evolution". I could see the crazy from my side of it and your viewpoint helps the pieces fall into place. I knew about Khashogghi's wife, but I didn't realize she lived at the FH. That is so fucking ironic. Remember in about the mid-80's how what a Flag public did for a living became of great concern to the CS and MAA. People were taken off OT VII because their profession was considered out-ethics. One OT designed nuclear systems for Trident submarines and he was given immense grief about that. Another was a teacher and "public education is suppressive so you can't be a school teacher and be on the OT levels". Or you design furniture and that is "off-purpose". These are REAL examples and there are scores more. And here is a Flag WHALE like Lamia Khashoggi who's money came from one of the BIGGEST arms dealers in the WORLD. A man responsible for the death of destruction of whole populations in places like the Congo, Somalia, Rawanda and Yugoslavia and FLAG can hardly stop drooling over his money. Fucking hypocrites. People are doing conditions for being a school teacher and Lamia Khashoggi is living at the FH on her husband's BLOOD MONEY. The lid is going to blow off this whole situation with Miscavige very soon. There is just too much evil, too many lies and too much insanity. Pretty soon witnesses, with evidence, will come forward and reveal what's been going on behind the scenes. It won't be hearsay, something many of us both staff and public were privy to, it will be facts with documents. This guy and his cronies are and have been committing real crimes and I think they are starting to sweat bullets as more and more staff and in-the-know public speak out. Imagine the day when Matt Feshbach or Craig Jensen or John Travolta or even Tom Cruise get fed up and start dishing the dirt on all the Miscavige's inurement. Or the day Heber or Yager escape and go public and tell where the bodies are buried. And what about Shelly Miscavige. She probably has some tales to tell; that is if she's not already dead and buried in the desert somewhere. Thanks for adding your log to the fire that hopefully quite soon will consume David Miscavige.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Been There</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:10:17 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Well done, Carol!</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5302</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Decency and honesty pour out of every line of your story, Carol. I'm glad you're free. Richard Kaminski]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Richard kaminski</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:34:29 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5301</link>
			<description><![CDATA[What a nightmare!! I'm so glad you're out and I hope that your story will help others make up their minds to leave Scientology or become aware of what is going on. I feel so sorry for all the nice people who are trapped and abused in David Miscavige's horrible cult of terror.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Joe Hanson</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:27:01 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Pepsicat</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5300</link>
			<description><![CDATA[If you routed out properly were you still declared? I'm just wondering because surely this story will get you declared. Why now? I'm not challenging you - in fact, I admire your courage to speak out. I'm just wondering if something occurred that made you say, "That's it."]]></description>
			<dc:creator>PepsiCat</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:06:36 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5299</link>
			<description><![CDATA[PS-I forgot you were my Senior for the most part while I was in the SO.(After Jim Wavell) Although I was a renegade and didn't take to well to the idea of having someone to answer to.I laughed mostly(where appropriate) while reading your story. It is so you!! I can see you going to get your hair done, eating, the sub-culture of the bus station thoughts running through your head reminding me of the times we've spent together talking and laughing. I hope we can meet up soon and spend some real time doing things that are fun.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Zana Zeches</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:48:57 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Activated the &quot;name&quot; field</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5298</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi, sorry — I experimented with turning off the "name" field and it seems to be confusing who is who since everyone becomes "Guest." Anyone who does not want to have their actual name should put their handle instead. - Steve]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Thoughtful</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:17:04 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5297</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Tony! I sent you an e-mail. Love, Carol]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:06:58 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5296</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thank you for sending me such a great message. I would love for you to contact me on FB so I know who you are. Love, Carol]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:05:58 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
			<link>https://mail.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html#comment-5295</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hello and thank you so much! I sure would love to hear from you on FB. would love to know who you are. Love, Carol]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:04:38 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Sindy Fagen</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Sindy, After I initially responded to you, I found your husbands story. We all have a story and we all need to tell it. Thank you for all your love and support. I do remember him and I wish you the very best for your future. I have had so much love sent my way. What a great place "out here" Love, Carol]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 06:53:23 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Setting a good example</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Thank you so much. I would love to hear from you on FB so I know who you are. Love, Carol]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 06:50:31 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Double Wow.</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Thank you so much for your courage and strength. Big hugs to you.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 05:32:14 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hello there my former SO recruiter!! and Friend forever. Wow, Nancy still looks the same. I am glad that you are out and I hope all of our old friends are out, or are getting out soon. Love ya, call me. Z~]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 05:25:45 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Carol dear. I've spent the past hour reading your story in full and am responding teary eyed. Your reputation, Carol, preceded you well before I ever came to Flag. In the late 80's the Scandinavian public and FSMs spoke of "Carol" at Flag in such a manner I thought she must be a Goddes. I confirmed that for me later on. I can relate to much of your story, including getting to know Frank in the RPF, hope he is doing well. Loved the small but significant fact that you got a church discount for the car which you rented to escape !! Hated the images of enforced sleep deprivation, LOVED the suspense of Grayhound bus experience, LOVED the witty ways you developed to stay sane in that insane culture of having military taking over. Your lovely daughter has own family, amazing, and you were able to reunite with your own Mom is absolutely fantastic. I salute you all. This has made me very happy.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 04:51:41 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Wow.</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Holy cow, Carol, your story really communicates. I wonder what Karen Pouw would have to say about that! Congratulations on beginning the next chapter of your life. I knew Frank from the (in)famous Pro TRs Pilot back in 1979. He impressed me as a very fine, dedicated person and I hope you two are still able to be in comm. All the best to you.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 03:16:14 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Wow Carol, thanks for sharing your story. When I was last at Flag, it was getting heavy for the public and I knew then that the staff would have been getting it 10x worse. And such decent people too! Enjoy the rest of your life, you deserve it!!]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 01:08:14 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Linda McC</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hi Carol, Holy kamoley!! You look wonderful. We had some times together at the QI. I remember those family times well. They were good times. I had to laugh when reading your announcement about the "little sneaky transgressions". We should write the handbook on how to survive and maintain one's sanity. It's how I survived as well. Our little silent disagreements made it our world --not theirs. Would love to see you. You can email me at lindamccarthy92@yahoo.com. Love to you, Linda]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:33:57 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Dean Blair</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Wow!!! I read your whole write up and I am so happy that you wrote up everything that had happened to you at Flag. Your story would make and incredibly interesting movie with everything that went on in this modern age. Thank you Carol.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:10:48 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[One more thing, we may say "kool-aid drinkers" in a derogatory way, let's not forget that there are so many like Carol stuck in that misery but not really knowing how to navigate their way out and that they are people with a big heart to help.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:58:11 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hi Carol, I'm so glad you're out of that mess and that you had the intelligence to manuever your way way out. I hope you were able to preserve your family comm lines despite this public admonishment of the squirrel behaviour of DM & company. I feel sorry for those still stuck with no way out and continuing to endure this gross off policy misery. Your telling of how good it was at one time and the dichotomy of what it turned into is very revealing of the psychopath Miscavige. You are right if that had not happened many people would potentially still be there. Wish you the best in your future endeavors!]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:55:03 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I read your story Carol. They are just NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!! I always loved seeing you at Flag. You were so real and caring and so full of theta. If they pushed you out then I know there is no hope for that organization. Since you are speaking out now, I assume you are a "declared SP" now. I would love to hear the rest of your story sometime and I can tell you mine if you are interested in hearing a "publics" story. Love, Tony]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:54:27 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Carol is one of the most genuine people I ever met on staff. She was always sincerely committed to serving me as a public. I, too, loved every word of her story. Though filled with oppression, she clearly demonstrates the courage and ingenuity to not just survive but to flourish and prosper. When push comes to shove, I want her on my team. Thank you, Carol, and much love to you.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:46:31 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Carol!!! This is Tony De[censored]illips. I haven't even read your story yet but I loved seeing you at Flag every time I went. I am now a declared SP too!! Lol!! I would love to get in comm sometime. a.de[censored]illips@comcast.net I am gong back to your story now...]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:14:15 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Sindy Fagen</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Unbelievable and yet totally believable. I cried and cried and cried reading this story. I just shake my head. I was in for 25 years with several stints on staff including up to the time I left. My husband was on staff for 25 years straight. We knew when the Basics and then Basics/Ideal Org/IAS craziness was going on that it was emanating mostly from Flag via the TOP. I knew, essentially, that my targets were coming directly from COB which is why I started having such disdain for the guy, leading me to voice this to the ED (which led to a serious of events that resulted in my departure). Back to you....I bring the above facts up only to convey that I TOTALLY know exactly what you were dealing with and in addition, my husband was sent to Flag for what was supposed to be 8 weeks but turned out to be 2 1/4 years, so I know the Flag experience from that angle too. You are brave and it is admirable that you never let anyone fully destroy all of your freedom. That probably kept you alive and as healthy as you could expect to be under that duress. Heart warming, indeed, is that you are back with your daughter and grandson. I would love to hear part two of this story. It's unfortunate that your marriage was tampered with in that way but you strike me as a courageous and resilient woman with lots of life and love ahead. Thank you for speaking out and telling it like it is and as I read through your accounts I continued to reflect on what it would be like if all those, in our local org, were able to read what you have written. What, then, would they say? More people need to start sneaking around to find the truth they way that you did.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:13:19 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Setting a good example</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I have you Carol since 1984 and you always set a good example of what Scientology is all about. And here you are now, doing the same thing, but bigger and better than ever before, because now you're setting a good example of integrity, courage and honor. Very well done and welcome.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:21:21 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Carol Nyburg (Vedder) is OUT</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Dr. Dismal Failure. Thousands of such enthusiastic on purpose willing beings beaten down and degraded to the point of hopeless despair. Great if sad story, well written. Glad you are out and free Carol. Alaska Ronn]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:14:29 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Thank You!</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Wow! Thank you, so good to hear from you. I am so very happy now. My life full and rewarding. Love, Carol]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:03:48 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Congrats</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Yes of course. Gene was my senior. I remember you too when Chris would visit with you from time to time. Thank you so much for your acknowledgement.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:01:59 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Rita Wagner</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hi Rita. I remember you well also. I remember distinctly the first day we met. so glad you remember me too and thank you so much for your good wishes. I am loving my life and very happy. Love, Carol]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:59:37 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hi Carol, Thanks for telling your story. Looking forward to better days. ML. Forrest Crane]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:19:13 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I definately remember you from Flag, so happy to see you are out, re-united with your family and are doing well! Such a controlling cult environment all you Sea Org members had to endure. I wish you much happiness and congrats on your leaving the sea org and gaining your freedom back!!]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:06:11 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Welcome in the club Carolina!!!! I missed you! Was nice reading your story. Well done!!! Love, Kinga]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:50:31 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Thank You!</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hi Carol, Thank you for your intense story. I remember you as my in-ARC reg who let me stay at a friend's place when I came for my Solo NOTs refreshers. Welcome to the world of free Scientologists who practice Scientology in its original spirit. Love, Wolfgang Keller]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:46:55 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Congrats</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Wow, that's a hell of a story. I loved the blow sequences, exciting! You probably knew my brother in Law Gene Juss, married to my sister Christine. MReppen]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:23:11 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Rita Wagner</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hello Carol!!! Welcome out in freedom!! Thank you so much for your write-up!! I remember you well!! Great you are out now and able to have your live back!!! love Rita]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:10:36 -0600</pubDate>
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